Tie notes between different voices ?

Alain_LeBlond · December 28, 2017, 7:40pm

For many reason I need (or would like) «tie» the same note which is in different voice !

So,
is there any obvious way to accomplish that ?

Merci

pianoleo · December 28, 2017, 7:42pm

Select the first notehead. Hold down the Ctrl/Cmd key on your keyboard. Select the second notehead. Release the Ctrl/Cmd key. Hit T (for tie).

Alain_LeBlond · December 28, 2017, 9:17pm

Pianoleo,

Great…
Is it in the «Operation Manual» ?

Thanks a lot.

Alain

dspreadbury · December 28, 2017, 9:37pm

Yes, it is: in the updated PDF it’s on page 642.

tbabcock123 · February 28, 2021, 5:28pm

This procedure for tying notes between voices isn’t working form me. Has something changed in 3.5.12? I’m trying to tie these two notes between V1 and V2:
Screen Shot 2021-02-28 at 9.27.54 AM

I can fake it with a laisser vibrer tie (adjusted for length in E-mode), but that will probably need readjustment as note spacing fluctuates down the road.

dan_kreider · February 28, 2021, 5:31pm

Are they the same pitch?

pianoleo · February 28, 2021, 5:34pm

Regardless of whether they’re the same pitch, it would be nonsensical to put a tie there. The downstem voice is still sounding while the upstem voice is starting (unless there’s some sort of tuplet that we can’t see in the screenshot).

tbabcock123 · February 28, 2021, 5:37pm

they are the same pitch

tbabcock123 · February 28, 2021, 5:37pm

what ever is required by the client, is what is needed.

dan_kreider · February 28, 2021, 5:38pm

Don’t take offense of this, but are you sure they are exactly the same pitch? If so, it simply should work, every time.

tbabcock123 · February 28, 2021, 5:40pm

Yes, I’m sure. As a clue, the accidental is not repeated for the eighth note in V1, otherwise I would see this: Screen Shot 2021-02-28 at 9.39.28 AM

dan_kreider · February 28, 2021, 5:44pm

Oh, I think I know the reason. It’s because the second note begins before the previous note ends, so I bet Dorico doesn’t know what to do with that. Since it treats ties as a single note.

pianoleo · February 28, 2021, 5:45pm

I think I said that 10 minutes ago…

You could work around it by putting the bottom note in a 2:1 tuplet, then hiding said tuplet, but it’s nonsense notation.

dan_kreider · February 28, 2021, 5:46pm

You said it didn’t make sense, and I agree. My point was that it might actually be impossible to achieve in Dorico here.

You could always make it a slur. Close enough.

tbabcock123 · February 28, 2021, 5:47pm

The slur might work better here, thanks Dan.

Romanos · February 28, 2021, 6:38pm

The other option is to made the down stem voice two eighths tied together. Then the 8th note heads might combine automatically (presuming the correct notation options are enabled.)

Romanos · February 28, 2021, 6:39pm

I’m a firm believer in the idea that the client is NOT always right. Lol.

tbabcock123 · February 28, 2021, 8:52pm

well, to be fair to my client they’re preparing a notation book showing good practice along with bad practice.