Trills (Octave)

Hello, I am trying to put a trill earlier in Dorico 5, but when I played the playback, only the upper octave note follows the trill, while the lower note does not. Can you help me on this one?

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Change the voice of the lower note and put a trill mark on it then hide the trill mark, as follows:

Select the lower note, then Edit > Voices > Change Voice > Down-stem Voice 1, shift-O, tr, Enter.
To hide the trill mark, select it, then Properties > Trills > Show trill mark (enable the button but don’t check the box).

Thanks. I will try this one.

if you have two instruments sharing a staff, they both should really have the trill mark.
hiding one of the two trills will cause you nothing but headaches during rehearsal.

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Do you have any solution without hiding any trill? I want to make them sounded a trill on both notes. I tried earlier to put a trill by selecting the notes but only the upper notes get the trill when it played.

The attached picture illustrates what I described in my earlier post. View note colours is on, to indicate that the two notes are in different voices. The first bar shows the notes with both trill marks showing. The second bar shows both notes with the lower note’s trill mark not showing. Both bars play the same, ie the trill happens on the upper note and the lower note. I have attached the Dorico project containing the pictured example.

Trills.dorico (559.9 KB)

Ohhh ok, I got it :slight_smile: . I will try this. Thanks!

I ran into this today;

(Organ, 2 man+ped)

How is this best notated?

I have seen cross-staff stems like these in 19th century French keyboard music too. Confusing. If it means played by the same hand, I don’t know how that trill can be played. If it means both hands have the same “line” in 2 octaves for a bit, I would ignore the connecting stems and copy the notes on the 2 staves separately.

If you write both notes in the middle staff as octaves (in the same voice), select the top note and pres “n”, you get the connecting stem. The “wrong” half notehead I don’t know. Maybe some custom Notehead…

Perhaps this is an equally good notation then?

I’m not sure why they use cross-staff notation, possibly to avoid ledger lines, but is it a clever use?

Since it’s organ music, and there’s a bar-rest above, another idea occurs to me: Possibly the stems may mean play on the same manual, with both hands, especially if there are notes elsewhere on the top staff for a different manual.

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