Trumpet sound on playback

Hi all

Recently upgraded to 5.1, and it seems like the trumpet sound has more reverb and vibrato, and less attack, than the other instruments, almost like a chorus pedal effect. I’ve tried playing around with the sound and stage templates and I’m still pretty new to Dorico, so don’t yet understand how to edit the sounds and expression maps etc. You can hear it particularly where there’s lots of eighth notes in a row. Is there a way to adjust this?

Here’s the file, if any suggestions or is that just the new Iconica sound?

Thanks

Bertie
Turas-Mara sample.dorico (3.1 MB)

Bertie,

What sound set are you using? HALion’s HSO, Iconica Sketch (or a third party VST like NotePerformer)?

Also, could you share which version of Dorico (Elements or Pro) you are using along with your computer operating system and version?

That will help us understand your observation more clearly. Thanks.

As @Bertie59 wrote, he ist using Iconica. I don’t think, that there is a different between Elements and Pro using Iconica.
I have problems with Brass and Iconica too. When you have a lot of fast notes - and repititions make it even worse - the Iconica Sound out of the box is unusable.

From the looks of your project, you’re using the new updated playback template that uses Iconica Sketch. If you’d prefer to go back to using the HALion Symphonic Orchestra sounds, choose Play > Playback Template, select HSO, HALion Sonic Sel, Olympus, GASE from the list, and click Apply and Close.

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OK Thanks - the trumpet sounds much better and tighter back in HSO Halion.

I’m still curious as to why the Iconica Sketch trumpet sound is so reverby and…disappointing, especially for fast passages - can the sound be adjusted or tweaked somehow?. I tried adjusting the attack and release in the instrument editor, but it didn’t seem to make much difference.

I think the Iconica trumpet sounds quite good actually, but it is a regular orchestral trumpet placed in the appropriate position. I wouldn’t really add reverb to it at all in general as it already has a lot of “baked in” hall sound due to it sounding far back. It is not really suitable for a sortof pop brass sound (more up-front) that I think is probably more what you are wanting here.

The other thing is, even as far as orchestral libraries go, like a lot of starter sample libraries, there is no “agile legato” which means that it can easily start to fall apart when you give it rapid passages, where it just can’t keep up. This is an issue with a lot of these types of libraries, and a lot of people work around this by layering the sound with a second copy of the instrument playing staccato to get a stronger attack and allow it to play more rapid stuff, or even to simply avoid writing lines for the instrument that the real instrument could play but the sampled instrument falls apart at.

“Writing for the samples, not the instrument” is an unfortunate thing that many people creating a finished product with sample libraries end up having to do. Personally I try to select libraries that are as flexible as possible instead, with agile legato capability, so that they can pull off anything the real instrument can do well in general, and that way I don’t feel as frustrated being constrained because I can’t do something that would be amazing with the real instrument but the samples prevent me from doing so.

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