Trying to copy ravel bar in 6/8 and 2/4 to dorico

to understand Ravel’s music, I want to copy a bar to Dorico
the piece is in 6/8 and also 2/4…
and there is a bar that consists with
8 32nd
3 32nd
a 32 rest
3 32nd
and 4 32nd

how can I insert that in Dorico? I know it’s kind of a rhythmic question as well, but maybe someone can help with this, please?

Thank you


“6/8 2” in the meter popover, 2:3 tuplets when presenting in 2/4, hide tuplet numbers manually (8:12 for the 32nds on beat 1, 11:12 for beat 2) - to do the rest as a regular quarter rest you will need to lock an eighth rest and make it a 2:3 then make it a quarter and hide the tuplet

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Thank bridghamusic!
writing “6/8 2” in the meter popover doesn’t work for me,
tried also 6/8 + 2/4 and more variations, doesn’t seem to work.

why is there a need to write 8:12 for the 32?
8 32nd equals two eight notes that are equal for the 2:3 tuplet on the right hand the same way as in my attempt in the picture I made with Dorico.

and how come 11:12? the last eight note is equal to 4 32nd which I also get, but the 7 32nd (including the rest)?

the writing 11:12 suggests that the (FAE) chord on the right hand is closer to the second E and and not happening right in the middle of the L.H line, where the rest is ( and where I think it is meant to be played)

Thank you :slight_smile:

See the popover reference. If you can’t find one to work, use the right panel…

I think the Ravel original is ambiguous. It could either be the 1st or 2nd. You choose!

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I recopied «Une barque sur l’océan» for my own use last year. There’s no need for 32nd-note tuplets. The meaning of “6/8 2/4” in this score is that there are 2 beats in every bar, that freely switch between 2 divisions and 3 for each beat. So there are unwritten eighth-note tuplets everywhere, either triplets in 2/4 or (easier to copy) duplets in 6/8. Then it is the duplet eighth note that is equivalent to the eighth in 3/4, so you need hidden tempo equations.

The popover syntax for “6/8 2/4” has 4 different options, listed at Interchangeable time signature. You can change the display afterward in Properties.

This is the sort of score that forces you to plan out the meters in advance. Which should be triplets and which duplets? The first bar starts with a duplet in 6/8 in RH, with the running figures in LH making it clear. This example (bar 13) is not as obvious in isolation, but it’s the same thing. You can use 2:3e on the first beat in both hands, and beat 2 is unaltered 6/8.

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