When moving or duplicating some tuplets (notes and tuplet sign) to another staff, Dorico shifts the subsequent tuplet groups. If I duplicate only the tuplets, the subsequent groups are also shifted and the last rest of each tuplet is not selected.
Using insert mode doesn’t change this behavior.
Some suggestions?
(I can copy all and then delete what I don’t need, but just curious why Dorico shifts the other tuplets in the first mentioned method. Also if I select the notes and tuplets signs on beat 3 and 4 of every bar and just the tuplet signs on beat 1 and 2 and move to staff below, no shifting, I have just to delete the rest tuplet.
Or with the first method, I can afterwards with insert mode on, delete the quarter note rest before each shifted group)
I share a video to make clear what is happening, and a Dorico file if someone want to experiment.
This makes sense to me. You are not moving down the intervening tuplets between your selection, so their space expands to 6 quavers, thus moving the second set of triplets to the right.
Dorico apparently doesn’t just copy the (disjoint) selections, it also silently copies the rhythmic values in between. So it’s actually still one selection, not two. Then it’s smart enough to know it should skip the intervening non-selected passage (six quavers) when pasting, but unfortunately it forgets they’re also inside tuplets. It would be nice if Dorico would learn to take tuplets into account as well, or just consider the intervening stuff as ‘a half note’s worth of time’.
I may have written about this before (too lazy to look it up), but I think a tuplet shouldn’t be an independent object ‘containing’ notes. It’s just a notation device to notate non-binary subdivisions. If a crotchet is divided into 3 equal parts, the written quavers are simply not 1/8 notes, but 1/12. The triplet notation has become the standard way to notate it. Renaissance music had other notation devices for that (prolations, color etc.).
Copying one quaver from a triplet should preserve its 1/12 rhythmic value. Pasting such a single 1/12 note elsewhere should result in creating a notated triplet to accommodate it. If I delete the last note from a triplet, the triplet should disappear, as it’s only a device to notate the 1/12 notes in it.
Ooh. I’m not sure about that one. Perhaps you would want to preserve the triplet as two notes and a rest?
Certainly Dorico’s handling of tuplets is idiosyncratic, though immensely powerful. Regarding @Christian_R’s original question, I’ll admit I’ve never even thought to move two non-contiguous selections in a single action, so I’d never seen the effect before.
I was sketching something (using the amazing capability of Dorico to be a substitute of pencil and paper, and stay in the “flow” while sketching ) and for the clarinets I needed the orchestration technique of dovetailing. I found more practical to notate the clarinet parts on the first clarinet and then decide where to dovetail (divide), putting the desired notes on the second clarinet (and coping also the notes in common at the meeting point of the two instruments…, but this is an extra step). That’s why I need to move non-contiguous selection (containing tuplets in this example), to the staff below (if you have many of the dovetails it take some time to make every single copy-paste, so I hoped to be able to make it all at once…). Here an example of the result:
Interesting. Faced with that particular challenge, I think my first instinct would have been to duplicate part 1 to part 2, then delete the unnecessary notes (but only because of the overlap between the parts).
(I have no idea which way would have been quicker!)
) and for the clarinets I needed the orchestration technique of dovetailing. I found more practical to notate the clarinet parts on the first clarinet and then decide where to dovetail (divide), putting the desired notes on the second clarinet (and coping also the notes in common at the meeting point of the two instruments…, but this is an extra step). That’s why I need to move non-contiguous selection (containing tuplets in this example), to the staff below (if you have many of the dovetails it take some time to make every single copy-paste, so I hoped to be able to make it all at once…). Here an example of the result: