Tuplets within tuplets

This - to turn a quarter note into tuplets of 3 8th notes and each of those 8th notes into 3 16th notes

There’s a second part to it but I’ll save it for now

That is one of Dorico’s main strengths. Select your quarter note, invoke the tuplets popover (the key varies with your keyboard layout, so I leave it up to you to figure this out) and write 3:2e (meaning 3 8th notes in the time of 2). Then select your first 8th note, invoke the tuplets popover and write 3:2x (meaning 3 16th notes in the time of 2).
By the way, this is called nested tuplets.
Hope it helps.


Marc’s method is perfect, but be aware that the resulting 16ths will be faster than regular 32nds. You can notate the same rhythm with 9:8 32nds (9:8y in Dorico), which I would recommend if the notes are a quick run such as a scale.


I was literally answering the questions… Of course, there are other ways to notate those :wink:

Thanks I’ll give both approaches a try for the learning experience. As usual I had searched but somehow failed to find the solution and for time’s sake I’m now inclined to just ask here. I think I searched nested tuplets but it was late. I’ll edit the title to include that for sake of those looking for same

Second part of this I will try to state clearly and with as little comedy as I can muster

The 8th notes are part of the melodic line down in the bass-baritone zone

The 16th notes ascend from those, i.e. upwards an octave+ into alto-soprano territory

I want it to read as two voices that intersect(at the 8th notes) but when I try to enter 16th notes as the second voice the whole thing comes unhinged

When I add a second voice with notes below the first it’s not a problem but if they are above the 1st voice it doesn’t work

I’ll either scratch it out on paper later or find similar examples which should be abundant in Bach fugues

Seems like I should get familiar with popovers as it came up in a prior question

And keep a notebook on all of this given the vintage of the cpu between my ears

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…and ever-diminishing RAM…??? :wink:

And outdated OS …


And as Wanda Sykes put it “all kinda valves start leakin”

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@bluekayak88 do you mean something like this?

You need to make 2 voices (an upstem voice and a downstem voice) and create 8th triplets in both voices. Within the 8th triplet in the upstem voice, you can create 16th triplets. By ‘intersect’ I assume you mean that you want the 2 voices to share noteheads; this happens automatically in the case of undotted black noteheads. Once you’ve done this, you can hide any triplet number or bracket you don’t want to show, and split beams where you want, move some notes to the other staff in case of a grand staff, but creating these triplets in each voice is the first step.


Notational question: my instinct would be hide the upper triplet with the bracket in @maartenterhorst’s (excellent) example. Curious how others would handle it…

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Yes, and I’d hide the numbers on the semiquaver triplets as well.

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maartenhorst that’s the one and thanks that’s a very helpful stepwise explanation

I’m still very novice-ish so still accumulating basic tools & maneuvers. Last night I had managed to do that but with the stems flipped

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