# Unusual default notation in 5/4 time

I’m not exactly sure why Dorico is doing this, but it is very obviously not correct, or at least very confusing:

At the very least, if I were writing on paper, I would not have notated the above example in that way. In this case it would make a great deal more sense to me to have the position of the quarter and sixteenth in the first tie chain swapped, so that the beats are always clear. At the moment, the quarter extends from the second sixteenth subdivision of the second beat of the measure to the second sixteenth subdivision of the third beat of the measure. If the sixteenth and quarter were swapped in the tie chain, the quarter would instead be from beat to beat, which (to me) makes this much easier to read. Is there a way to get this result without forcing duration?

Shift-M [1+1+1+1+1]/4 Enter.

By default, a 5/4 time signature in Dorico is treated as a single dotted minim/dotted half beat followed by a single minim/half beat. I agree that it’s rarely what you want.

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Yes, I can’t think of a single time I’ve wanted the default 5/4 beaming! IMO this default really should be changed.

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What’s wrong with the example, though, is not the 3+2 subdivision. It is that Dorico doesn’t cope well with (ie fails at) keeping a crotchet (quarter-note) division within them. Which should be the default outcome.

It is, I think, a problem with asymmetrical time sigs, and acknowledged as needing improvement. I would use force duration.

cheers
J

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In this case I altered @pianoleo 's solution a bit by holding down ALT before pressing enter so that it only affected that one stave. Otherwise, the measures that I have with dotted half notes tied to half notes end up changing to a whole note tied to a quarter, which does not accurately show the overall 3+2 subdivision of the measure.

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I must say I would challenge this! In music I write and listen to the 5/4 time signature is mostly 3+2. Dorico has the default right in my view.

Let me clarify:
three crotchet/quarter beats grouped together for the sake of rests and long notes, followed by two crotchet/quarter beats grouped for the same purposes, is absolutely standard (or at least as standard as 2+3).

What’s non-standard is that Dorico treats each of these two beats as a single unit, with no rules for how notes shorter than a crotchet/quarter should be grouped. It’s this second part that I’m disagreeing with: semiquavers/16ths should be grouped in crotchets/quarters.

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fine, no problems there. Looks like I misunderstood your point for which apologies.