Up-beat - Solved

Dorico version 5.1.51.2153.

Upbeats in Dorico are not my friends. :frowning:

See the initial situation in the Test 1 file.
I now wanted to change bar 1 to an up-beat with a 1/4 value and did the following:

  1. Marked the rest in bar 1.
  2. Shift+M
  3. Typed “2/4,1”

Now there is - as desired - a 1/4 rest in bar 1.
But the entire piece has moved 1/4 value to the right.
See the Test 2 file.

What am I missing?

I have watched the video https://youtu.be/r4VeKXGqYvs several times.
Test 1.dorico (566.3 KB)
Test 2.dorico (569.2 KB)

Best regards,
Niels

Sounds like you’ve got Insert mode ON?

It looks like the normal behaviour, I think.
In your case, you could enter the upbeat in the first bar, then delete the rest with Insert Mode (Global adjustment of current bar) engaged.

(And don’t forget to disengage Insert mode once it’s done!)

I guess there’s a conceptual hurdle to overcome…

In Dorico, Time Signatures only do one thing: They redistribute the musical material into specific length bars, up until the next time signature. They do not add/remove musical time (with one exception).

So, when you change your initial 2/4 to a pickup (2/4,1) Dorico takes your initial 2 beat rest, sticks one of them into the pickup and then redistributes all the remaining material into 2-beat bars (it cannot somehow lose that 2nd beat rest! If you don’t want it, you must remove it yourself).

(The exception) Because this redistribution only works up to the next time signature (if one exists) it is perfectly possible to end up with an incomplete bar before that time signature (it’s another pickup). You can avoid this by engaging insert mode (I) before changing the time signature and Dorico will pad rests in the final bar to ensure it is complete.

(A final trap for the unwary) All manual barlines are really hidden time signatures (eg you may have added double barlines somewhere)!!!

Experimentation is the best way to learn and once it clicks, it will be really simple, logical and powerful.

Hope this helps!

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I am all for Dorico making adding upbeats/pickups a simpler process, but from the number of questions that arise here (although that probably represents a small number of Dorico’s user base) I start to wonder if nobody plans ahead when they write or arrange their music. I find I generally know when I want to start a phrase or piece of music with an upbeat. Clearly there are others that do not work that way.

It’s not wrong, but it certainly puzzles me.

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Thank you very much to you all for the help.

Bedst regards,
Niels

Even though it’s my thing, I still find this the most logical way:

  1. Add/remove time
  2. Redistribute bar lines
    pickup
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