Very Strange Time Signatures in Dorico

Hello,

I have a piece where I have a time signature of 2.66/4 or 2 + quarter note triplet over 4. Is there a way to do this in Dorico? Thanks

Peter

According to the manual you can’t

But you could maybe use Open Time signatures

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You want a 4/6, it’s doable.

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4/6 huh I’ll try that, thanks!

Didn’t work. Was just a measure of 4/4

Unless I’m inputting tuplets wrong. How do I do that?

Not to be snarky (simply curious), but how would you notate measures in that meter 2-2/3 / 4? How would a player make sense of the shortened note (or even which one was the 2/3 duration?
(I’m having difficulty wondering why one wouldn’t use 3+3+2/8, dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter.)

…Sérgio, I’m not even sure I’d know what a sixth note would be! – or what it would look like!

Jim

Hi

you have to fake it I’m afraid. Dorico will let you write 4/6 time signature but it will, as you found out, treat it as 4/4. You have to do the reverse-tuplet calculation.

e.g for this:

you start the bars with ;2:3e then enter the quarters and hide the tuplet numbers. For the ‘real’ tuplet eighths you enter them as regular eighths and add a fake tuplet line. And then you have to manually do a 3:2 metric modulation.

Hopefully the fake tuplet line style should appear in this file:

4-6.dorico (507.1 KB)

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I do Shift + M and then enter 4/6.
@jaskarbong

The Measure contains 4 quarter note triplets. It’s a nuanced thing but I always think about and use measures that contain 4 or 5 triplets instead of 3 or 6. Hope that answers your question. This is also the reason I still write a lot of my scores by hand, but when I have my pieces performed players like to have a neater score, so here I am once again pulling my hair out! lol

My measure has 4 quarter note triplets in it. How would I do that? I guess the same way?

enter 4 quarter notes and add the fake triplet line

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Ok yeah that Makes sense thank you! And thanks to everyone else for their input as well. Cheers!

Is there a way to fake the Time signature and write 2.66/4?

Thanks for the info. (I’m still trying to wrap my head around some of it!)
I guess you could hide a 4/4 time signature, use the faked triplet line, and add the 2.66 time signature as a text (moving it in engrave mode). (I’d create a playing technique for the fake triplet to make input faster.)
You could get a cleaner score, but playback would be a mess!

Jim

I’d agree with @jaskarbong about a playing technique. If you make a new technique and set it to type Glyph you can use the SMuFL time signature glyphs. You can even do the fractional ones this way:

The spacing’s a bit trial and error.

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If you really want 2.66 you’ll need to add the decimal as text

you’ll need to make sure that you select the Default Text Font style before you add the text, because as far as I can tell you can’t edit that afterwards. You’ll have to scale it to fit.

[EDIT} If you hide the existing time signature you’ll need to adjust the note spacing in Engrave Mode to make room for it.

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