Voice Colors driving me crazy

I have blue set for voice 1 and green for voice 2. However, when writing in a grand staff, bass cleff will show voice 1 as green, then, when I return to the treble staff my voice two color has changed to my voice three colour. Evidently, this is because Dorico automatically cycles through each colour. BUT IT’S REALLY DARN CONFUSING AND FRUSTRATING. Try writing out a fugue with multiple voices and the colours keep changing up on you!!!

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A UNIFORM COLOUR SETTING OPTION for each voice that holds good across the entire score?

Many thanks

Have you tried using your own colour choice in the options setup panel? Does this make a difference?

I don’t think it helps. They are just colours that work over an instrument. For some instruments, this might work well, but (e.g.) for the organ it gets confusing sometimes;

It’s universal that as men get older blue/purple discrimination starts to go.

I used to work without the coloured voices. I guess you could revert to that. But the colours are nice and a big help.

I just wanted to check if you are new to Dorico and how you are approaching note/voice input.
Yes this can be confusing, but this is what I do.

Mostly I do not care about the colors (it is off).
I usually do a few bars of Voice 1 (up stem) if not a complete section. Then return to the beginning to add in Voice 2. To create Voice 2, Shift-V (which creates voices).
If I need to input into the other voice (wherever I am up to) use just V by itself, which cycles the created voices.

Do this for each staff.

If I am composing, in other words, nothing on paper, (I am inventing the notes in a bar or two at a time), then I do the same, use V to cycle created voices.
Doing a voice at a time for a bar or a few bars or longer, keeps them connecting with beams etc. Again, to swap to the other, use V then input for that voice.

Usually I do not need to reference the colors, but will pop them on if I need to see which note is from which voice, although you have this information at the bottom of the window (very small) when you click on any note.

You can select some bars and filter voice 1 or 2 or upper note etc. if needed to (you might want your colors to match or to tidy up or you have a better idea and that voice is now the other or you want to copy or cut then paste). Or select some notes (in different voices) and you can right-click to swap them, or select just one voice and change it to another if you need to.

Is there a particular reason why you are wanting to see the colors? Generally if you are inputting in one voice, it should be attending to beams, slurs itself as you move along.

After all, when printed, it will presumably be in black and the rests and stem (up and down) will or should be making the voices distinct enough for the player and it does not really matter if voice 2 is sometimes upstem and voice 1 is below and they swap in the next bar (or does it to you for a particular reason?)

However if you are inputting note by note between each voice, jumping about vertically, remember to use V to swap to the other. When you do this, you will see the cursor change to indicate which voice you are inputting into. And as you might already know, inputting rests is generally not required, just arrow along the “grid” (please ask if you do not know what this is all about, someone will answer) and input the next notes for that voice or V to swap.

If you happen to end up with many voices, many unused ones at certain measures during input, then Dorico will consolidate them (as far as I know) which might be what you are referring to when you see the colors change, it does not need to “remember” 7 different voices when only 2 are required for that section.

At most I have ever used 4 voices (piano) (very rarely), generally 3 maximum. For 4 part fugues, obviously only 2 for each stave, sometimes a voice might depart to the other stave here and there.

Sorry if this is irrelevant information.

Apart from composing/arranging with Dorico (of which I have no experience), for a publisher, the voice colours are important when proofing submitted scores. Not all users of notation software are OCD people like us. E.g., I’ve received scores (not made in Dorico) where the composer used slurs to indicate ties. (A “Note slurred to same consecutive pitch” proofing option would be welcome in this respect.) With cross-staff notation, colours are even more important; submitters can be very ‘creative’, and (consistent!) voice colours are of great help when proofing.

The thing that “gets you crazy” does actually explain, how Dorico treats a grand staff instrument. These are not two independent staffs.
So Upstem Voice 1 in the Upper Staff will have a different colour than Upstem Voice 1 in the Lower Staff.
If you go cross-stave (only possible in grand staff instruments, obviously) Dorico keeps the voice colour from its original.
Does this make sense to you?

The issue here is that “Up-Stem Voice 1” on the lower staff of a grand staff instrument is defined as being a separate voice from “Up-Stem Voice 1” on the upper staff. So it gets a different colour.

As described in the Preferences:

I set “the first colour” to Black, so I only see colours for additional voices (a la Finale); but the lower staff is counted as an additional voice.

As long as every voice is in a unique and distinguishable colour, I’m not too worried about it. Having all keyboard voices in different colours is useful for identifying cross-staff notes, for example.

Dorico is absolutely consistent about voice colours on each staff.

On a grand staff, the colours must be different between the two staves, because of the ability to have cross-staff voices (which retain the colour of their source staff).

If you end up with more colours than you expected, then you will have created more voices. This usually happens by mistake using shift-V (which creates a new voice) instead of V (which cycles through existing voices).

To rationalise voices you can use a combination of filter>voices (to isolate one) and right-click>voices>change voice... (Or simply use V to cycle the selection through different voices)

Please see my image above.

There is no (apparent) logical reason why 2nd V. LH is red in the first sample, while 2nd V. in Pedal is red in the second sample.

I think a there needs to be a limitation where the colour palette can “go”, it’s not as easy as just “keep on adding” colours, and not look at the staves.

Some theatre organ scores might use 3 staves for the manuals, which makes it even more confusing.

I would argue, it makes it more consistent.
The same way a grand staff instrument gives you different and unique voice colours on the two staves, the same will apply when one uses an “organ grand stave instrument” with three staves - still one instrument.

Note that @Mats_Frendahl said three manual staves, the pedal staff being (presumably) a fourth.

Yes Derrek. (-:

The confusion is ‘maxed out’;

Is that console from Atlantic CIty? If not, where?

Atlantic City

I know everyone’s always raving about the number of pipes in an organ but I’m more surprised about this one having over a thousand stops…

This is brilliant. Wish I had thought of this. (Then again, I rarely use voice colors; basically only to clean up the rare mess.)

Yes, that’s the one that gets me! I hate ending up with nine voices when I only needed four.

Yes, that is true.

I would love to have dedicated visual icons (1, 2, 3…) on the Write window to know exactly which voice am I using any given moment.

The voice handling in Dorico could be simpler, in my opinion. Sometimes the up and down stem numbered voices gets to be a real mess…