I go to another measure and want to change the notes in that measure to the slash voice that I just created, but it is not available to change to.
Somehow I was able to get it to work by trial and error.
The voice now has 2 names: “up stem slash voice 2” and “up stem voice 3”. I know it is “up stem slash voice 2” because that’s what I have to change the notes to to match the original voice. However, when I select a note, the bottom panel says it is “up stem voice 3”.
Are things hopelessly buggy, or is my understanding here screwy? (okay, probably the latter…). Anyway, I’ve spend a lot of time experimenting with voices and so far can’t find any consistency. What I’m explaining here is just one of many anomalies that I experience.
Sounds like you are adding new voices, rather than changing notes to a different existing voice.
You add new voices by selecting notes, then hitting Shift-V. You move notes to a different existing voice simply by selecting them and hitting V (do it repeatedly and it will cycle through the available voices. If only one voice exists, nothing will happen)
Well, yes, I would say Dorico is adding the new voice, but the problem is that I’m commanding Dorico to change notes to a different existing voice, by hitting V or via the context menu, but Dorico is disobeying me and adding the target voice as a new voice. I presume that’s why I’m getting the rest. Looks like a bug to me. I just want to change one voice to another without getting the rest (without Dorico adding the voice). Any ideas? Thanks for the reply.
Hey everyone, we’re actually in the wrong thread here. This thread is about the voice names getting mixed up and contradictory. I have a different thread about Dorico causing the rest to be displayed when I change voices. sjanssens in that thread was able to reproduce the problem and posits that it may be a bug.
Change all notes in one measure to a new voice. If you get a bar rest, then that’s the problem!
You don’t have to go the extra step of changing all notes in another measure to the newly created voice. I decided, with the help of Janus, in the other thread that Dorico is creating a new voice in this step because the first voice exists in other measures, and I suppose kinda exists in this measure as a sort of phantom?
No, but somehow this thread got focused on adding vs. changing voices, which belongs in the other thread. The bar rest is an unwanted side-effect of adding a new voice. Anyway, if you have any insight into the voice naming contradictions, let me know! And thanks for your help!
So, my question again: what was the method you used to create a new slash voice. There are a few different ways, and some of them can create a different slash voice, so can you be specific?
Okay, I’m back from that side trip. I see that you were on target from the start. The naming contradiction problem is difficult to reproduce but I’ve seen it more than once. I’ll try to create a sample Dorico file for you.
Here’s a dropbox link to the file that demonstrates the naming contradiction:
I created the new slash voice by selecting a note (or notes) and using the context menu to create a new slash voice. Follow this procedure and you should see the naming contradiction:
Select the first slash note in measure 5.
Look at the bottom panel and it should say “up stem voice 2”.
Select the first note in measure 1 (you are going to change it to the above voice).
Use the context menu voices > change voice; note that “up stem voice 2” is not available to change to! Now you have to guess at which of the slash voices to change it to.
Get lucky and select “up stem slash voice 1” instead.
Select your newly modified note to verify on the bottom panel that it is “up stem voice 2” (or you can see by the color that you selected the correct slash voice).
I think what could be happening (and I didn’t consider this until now) is that when creating a new Slash Voice, what Dorico actually does is create another up-stem voice but makes it use rhythmic slashes rather than noteheads. This means that all notes in that voice will be slashes.
I agree. I think the way it’s designed is that there are only up-stem voices (1-n) and down-stem voices (1-n). How they are displayed (e.g. slashes, stems, etc) is simply an attribute of the voice, not a whole new voice. If that is the case, then Dorico should be consistent in the naming. If my newly created slash voice is created as “down-stem voice 4” then it should be named that consistently. Instead Dorico is naming it “down-stem slash-voice 1” in my list of choices (this is from another example that I created). I would rather have it named “down-stem voice 4” and me remember that it is displayed in slash notation. Or, better yet name it “down-stem voice 4 (slash)”.