VSL vienna ensemble multi outputs and dorico

[ed_buller]

Hi

Quick question. Is there a known issue with Dorico endpoint configuration accessing more than one midi port per usage AND it appearing in the mixer ?

I ask because all the first 16 outputs arrive back fine and can utilise the splendid new stage feature, however anything on port 2 can’t.

Is this me ?

best

ed

[dspreadbury]

There’s been some previous discussion of this here on the forum – I seem to recall @FredGUnn having a similar problem, and perhaps he can remember the details and maybe even point us to the original discussion.

[ed_buller]

Thank you. I’ll do a search

E

[FredGUnn]

Hmm, I remember something about that, but that particular issue wasn’t mine, as I don’t have any instances in my default setup with over 16 instruments requiring another port. I have each VEP instance on port 1 and all works fine.

[ed_buller]

No found it here:

DORICO 4, its MIXER and PLAY mode

First and foremost, Dorico 4, in my opinion, is a gigantic improvement in comparison with 3.5 and for that chapeau bas for Steinberg team. Unfortunately there is a persisting problem coming from 3.5 version, the Mixer and the Play mode. To illustrate, I use Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 with my libraries sitting entirely there. Most of them use input defined by ports and channels, so f.e. Flute 1 is accessed by Port1 and its Ch1, Flute 2 by Port 2 and its Ch1 and so on. My setup is 2 flutes, 2 oboes, …

Daniel might I ask is this a known thing with VSL now, and is the work around separate instances per port ?

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[ed_buller]

Ok

this definitely seems to be a thing:

Dorico Limiting Number of VEPRO Plugins

I think I’ve discovered the issue. Dorico seems to be limited to connecting to 21 Tabs in VEPro. If I have 22 Tabs present then the tab selection list in Dorico won’t appear for the 5th instrument. So if only 21 VEPro tabs are present, I can connect VL1, VL2, Vla, Cello, Bass.–all 5 working fine. If 22 tabs are present in VEPro, then I cannot get the tab selection list to appear for the Bass. So the magic number appears to be 21.

[dspreadbury]

I was never able to determine what was really going on there, I’m afraid. I hate to speak ill of our wonderful customers, but to some degree that thread feels a bit like the blind leading the blind. There’s no reason I can think of why you should not be able to access ports beyond the first. Perhaps something to ask John about – he’s got VE Pro, and I haven’t.

[ed_buller]

Well

far be it from me, but 2 separate instances with VE pro limited to 10 tracks each works fine. So I suspect there IS a snafu somewhere. But it’s an easy work around and totally worth it to access the new Live stage feature !

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[Thurisaz]

Hello @ed_buller,
In the thread you linked above I gave clear enough instructions what one should do in order to get more ports activated. VE Pro is flexible enough to cover almost every situation.
First of all, before starting with creation of a VE Pro template, the most important thing is to come up with clear structure, by knowing well enough the specifications of the Virtual Instruments and their players. For example Kontakt, Halion and UVI Falcon allow loading of multiple instruments into a single instance, while Spitfire player, Sine, Synchron and VI Pro allow only single instrument per instance. Two different building strategies could be applied depending on the player.
I would recommend a VE Pro instance per instrument Group - Woodwinds, Brass, Percussion, Keys, Strings… This keep the order clear enough and well structured.

Best wishes,
Thurisaz