VST Live 3.0.38 Precount Enabled Save

I downloaded the latest version, but precount still does not save. What is happening is this; precount only works as a precount if the metronome and preroll is enabled, but when preroll is enabled it disables the precount, thus negating the save function when I open VST Live.

Correct, that is by design.

So how do i get an audible precount that will save?

what is your goal?

With example… my example:

  1. have a song that is starting at bar#1 (00:00:00:00) and you need the
    1-2-3-4 and keep 1-2-3-4 forever,

OR
2. have a song that is starting at bar#1 (00:00:00:00) and you need the
1-2-3-4 then silence for the rest of your song?

OR
3? what?

/* @Kai_Schwirzke */

#2 is my goal

MetroON + Preroll + Precount

It does for me, can you check?

Yes, it does that but it does not save them

Hi @SDF

tested on my MacMini and unfortunately it’s not saving me ā€œPRECOUNT stateā€ either, you’re right! Could you please re-ceck it @musicullum ?
Recipe: New project > default Song1 > activate Metro+PreRoll+PreCount > Save project > close > Reload project.
Result: PreCount ā€œiconā€ get’s back to disabled.

The actual problem is that PRECOUNT and Metronome active are mutual exclusive. PRECOUNT means that the Metronome is active exclusively when counting in in record mode. When you activate Metronome, PRECOUNT is automatically disabled, but the other way round was missing, added with the next version (activating PRECOUNT disables Metronome active).

In addition, PRECOUNT was saved as a local preference only. That’s tricky, and as all other metro related values are saved with each Song, we changed that so that PRECOUNT is now saved individually with each Song as well.

Jeez, this is complicated - but users wanted the ā€œcount in only when recordingā€ - named ā€œPRECOUNTā€, so we did :slight_smile:

I know you all know me here… and belive or not…
although were using Metro + Preroll / song basis - where required - the METRO section ā€œCount In / Precountā€ caused me confusion before…

also somehow failed with reliable toggle - via MIDI track - METRO on/off… meanwhile impossible to MUTE/unMUTE metro as there is no such button and also no AutomationTrackLink is available for METRO

When found @SDF 's post, did my best to understand his exact problem and found out, with METRO+PreRoll+PreCount active there is a new combination that might be practical in some cases:
ā€œ1-2-3-4 start then autoquietMETROā€.

I agree @musicullum that is complicated, but seems to be complicated me as well from a different point of view :smiley:

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I were thinking a while… save and slice the ā€œSteinbergā€ AudioClick sound and put it into a GrooveAgent ā€œpresetā€ (have AudioClick sound completely the same for the complete set, complete project)… but was a bit shy for that ā€œpiracyā€. Meanwhile that solution would help me creating custom beats (current VSTLive-METRO with 7/8 high tempo is a killer, in Cubase I construct the ā€œbeat typeā€ in such cases, but of course that can only to be exported into VL as a bounced audiofile).
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It will be great to have a precount option in record and in play.

Automation → Metro → Volume. Yes, there is no mute, but with volume you can do the same.
Really want to mute Metro? Route it to Group and then mute Group using automation.

If @SDF wants to use four ticks like drummers do before some songs (not all), then yes, it would be nice to have a PRECOUNT state saved for each song. Everything else seems working as designed.

For playback you use PREROLL and PRECOUNT.

For recording you use COUNT IN and PRECOUNT.

The problem is only one - PRECOUNT state isn’t saved.

No, you can’t! :wink: think on it from an other aspect. As soon as automating volume, that gets ā€œhardcodedā€, however METRO volume needs slightly adjustments at soundcheck.

Rather listening it at Outro slowdowns then adding an extra group that is taking one more attention just for mute something :grinning_face::sign_of_the_horns: no no. if talking about METRO then my brain expects the MUTE there :wink:

Yes. Too much is too much. It’s about channels :slight_smile:
I just tried to find a workaround for you.

I appreciate @ArthurNeeman and I knew and understood it immediately :hugs::wink:

So I downloaded 3.0.46. Now I’m really confused. I can’t get an audible precount in record or play. At least in v3.0.45 and prior I could still turn on metronome and precount (even though it wouldn’t) save, it still worked. It gave me an audible precount and turned off when the back track started. Can someone please explain what I am missing or better yet am I the only musician that expects to have an audible precount so that everyone starts on the same beat and correct tempo???

I reverted back to v3.0.30. That was the last version that works the way I think it should work. This version give an audible count in/precount and then turns off metronome when the backing tracks starts and it saves these settings.

Yes, there is something wrong happened to the precount functionality. I’m sure they will fix it ASAP.

Yes, sorry, we’re re-working metronome altogether.