When is Cubase 12 coming out

Steinberg’s Windows versions in the 90s always came months, sometimes years later, and were feature-wise crippled compared to the Mac versions. Like I wrote, things changed with the Nuendo/SX platform for the very first time.

In the last 20 years: Apple cancels LPT1 port, Steinberg introduces USB dongles. Apple drops 32 bit support, Steinberg does it too. Apple introduces Firewire as the ‘perfect’ solution for audio interfaces - Steinberg offers one (long before the first PC with FW was available). A few years later, Apple drops Firewire as an old and useless technology, Steinberg immediately stops driver development for their FW interface - for PC too. Apple introduces core audio in OSX, making really low latencies via ASIO impossible. Steinberg reacts with interfaces with direct monitoring and inbuilt effects to compensate. (Today’s Steinberg products perform much worse regarding really low latencies than the ones 10 years ago - simply because Steinberg doesn’t care anymore, and that’s because Apple doesn’t care about low latency. Ever used products based on the HALion 4/5/6 platform with buffer sices < 64 samples? Poor performance, because SB don’t mind - it won’t work on their Macs anyways, so why test it out or spend any effort.) Apple thinks that one USB port per Mac is enough - Steinberg drops the USB dongle. Now Apple goes to own silicon, months later the older VST SDK, that worked fine for the last 20 years, is discontinued by Steinberg.

Developments in the Windows world get ignored most of the time, one exception being Direct Music with LTB / Midex in the late 90s. They simply know that Windows will most of the time adapt, and Apple never adapts to anyone. And they love their Mac from the heart. Or they are passionate masochists.

Don’t get me wrong: I can live with that, and I prefer companies adapting their stuff to new ideas in general. It would just be better if they did that to new ideas from either side, especially because Apple’s market share outside of the US is a joke compared to Windows.

The roots of Steinberg: C64, Atari ST, Macintosh, Windows. They do Windows, because they need to make money. They do Mac because they love that platform. Apple can do the silliest stuff, and Steinberg will accept and love everything about it, adapt all their products and wonder why Windows is so old fashioned. Apple says people don’t need Firewire, VST2, latencies <= 32 samples, USB ports - Steinberg acts as people don’t need Firewire, VST2, USB ports… Boring, isn’t it?

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Timo nailed it… Pro 16 began life on the C64, well before the days of the 540/1040 or Amiga… First time I ever saw a screenshot of it I couldn’t believe it. I still have a Passport MIDI interface for mine somewhere in the closet, came with their 8 track sequencer software too but never had any gear to use with it at the time…

I will share the dates of the Cubase releases in the timeline:
Cubase 4.5 September 3, 2008 Wednesday
Cubase 4.5.2 September 11, 2008 Thursday
Cubase 5.0 January 27, 2009 Thursday
Cubase 5.0.1 April 8, 2009 Monday
Cubase 5.1 August 24, 2009 Monday
Cubase 5.1.1 December 12, 2009 Saturday
Cubase 5.5.1 June 21, 2010 Thursday
Cubase 5.5.2 November 9, 2010 Tuesday
Cubase 5.5.3 March 29, 2011 Tuesday
Cubase 6.0 January 17, 2011 Monday
Cubase 6.5 February 29, 2012 Wednesday
Cubase 7.0 December 5, 2012 Wednesday
Cubase 7.5 December 4, 2013 Wednesday
Cubase 8.0 December 3, 2014 Wednesday
Cubase 8.5 December 2, 2015 Wednesday
Cubase 9.0 December 7, 2016 Wednesday
Cubase 9.5 November 15, 2017 Wednesday
Cubase 10.0 November 15, 2018 Wednesday
Cubase 10.5 November 13, 2019 Wednesday
Cubase 11.0 November 11, 2020 Wednesday

We see that for a decade the favorite launch day is Wednesday so it was to be expected.
Following the logic for me the release would be on November 16, but as they said that earlier this year I guess it will be March 9 or 16.

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aaahhh - good point! – I had totally forgotten about the 2 initial years on the C64.

That still trips me out that all this stuff was available in the early 80s… All I cared about at the time was when I was going to beat the new Ultima or Bard’s Tale game, I wish I would’ve picked up on sequencing and MIDI when I was younger and got started a long time before I did in the mid 90s! All I knew about MIDI then was those expensive MT-32s you could buy (if you had the right gear) and connect to your Apple II and play soundtracks for some games hahaha.

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No, actually! Really interesting.

I’m just hoping that Steinberg doesn’t have the “courage” to eliminate the headphone jack from their future audio interfaces. :wink:

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That is a bit reach. There was only one stupid machine like that and connection is not even compatible with e-licenser anyway (USB C- USB2) So does not matter how many ports a Mac has, as long as one needs a hub to use the dongle which brings the question; where were the USB C e-licensers for all these years if Steinberg were crazy for Macs?

Plus;

Cubase is yet to be native Apple Silicon compatible while almost all major DAWs are since last year.
No Core Audio support
No Audio Unit support
No Mac specific Touchpad gestures.
No native iPad Remote app

So I wouldn’t call Steinberg an Apple fanboy at all :slight_smile:

On the contrary for years I always heard that PC version runs much better than Mac, though I believe that is an old argument as performance on Mac is fantastic for me and I never had serious issues.

Another post turning into Mac vs pc…

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it’s actually

  • Mac users saying “Steinberg loves PCs more” and
  • PC users are saying “Steinberg loves Macs more”.

So pretty much like children in millions of families complaining every day about their parents loving the other sibling more. :slight_smile:

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Again : No. Why should a DAW company take care of vendors if they aren’t able to maintain their products?

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LOL. Tell that to Apple. :laughing:

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How could you tell did support slow down or something LOL.

This is almost QAnon level thinking

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…ahhh, Al fresco dining with the Eiffel tower lit up in the background, jazz filling the air. Ok, got the scene… Let’s continue…

Sorry Ladies! :astonished:

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I read it from a few Steinberg staff on here at the time, that’s all.

:rofl:

This thread throws me back to the threads on the Kemper website while we waited for them to release the editor.
It started civil and to the point and slowly but surely turned into complete madness.
Oh! We ended up fighting, writing poems about our longing for the unreleased editor, and had our good share of tinfoil hat conspiracies.
Good times :joy:

Apple is a hardware company…

The necessity to completely rewrite plugins using a new SDK, without added benefit for the end-user, is not exactly what I would associate to the term “Maintenance”. It should tell you something about VST3 that Steinberg has been trying to hammer it to 3rd party dev companies for fourteen years, yet adoption rate is still so low that Steinberg now feels it is about time to just force the matter.

The thing is, VST2 is still just “good enough”. And as the saying goes, only the better is the enemy of the good. Not the mediocre.