When is Cubase 12 coming out

The waiting game is a cruel mistress, and she doesn’t need any encouragement, thank you very much. That said, I am happy to report that the masses will be happy to let you know how happy they are about you being so happy about Wednesdays this very next Wednesday, wink wink. Not that that would be any different from any other day of the week, wink wink. Nope, just another average day, nudge nudge. Cough C12 cough RELEASED NEXT cough cough WED cough.

Cough cough. Wink wink.

Sorry I have covid. And pinkeye, apparently.

Cough.

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^^^Best post in the whole thread.

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From what I can tell as a Dorico user, the staff working on Steinberg Licensing have been busy squashing issues following the Dorico 4 release. There have been two updates to the Steinberg Licensing software - one to fix bugs, the second to provide proper support for trial licences. They still seem to be chasing issues that have happened with a minority who have upgraded. I still don’t think they’ve got Dorico Elements to Dorico Pro upgrades on sale.

It is much easier to solve issues if the use of Steinberg Licensing is restricted to one smaller product. Once Cubase 12 is released, the support impact of every issue that is not fully solved will be much greater.

Try to be patient everyone. I am sure Steinberg are longing to bring us Cubase 12 and whatever else is in the pipeline (Nuendo 12 most likely, also I believe HALion 7 was mentioned somewhere in the Steinberg Licensing discussions). It is better that they get things into the best possible state, then release Cubase 12 when they are ready.

If you want to try Steinberg Licensing, go grab a free Dorico SE licence or a Dorico 4 trial.

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Keep in mind that everyday that pass gets you closer of the release date :wink:

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Here is my two cents.

I lived in Germany for about a year. In the winter when you’re getting ready to get off work it’s completely dark at 4:30 in the afternoon. So in the summer you have 16 hour days and it’s really nice and everybody wants to do things in the summer outside so you try and get your office work done during the winter months. Hence software development. Perhaps the global pandemic has changed things in the last couple years but I suspect they’ve been busy working on something now so they don’t have to work on it in June.

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You area a mean person (Joke) - Giving me hope for one more week…

What the forum giveth, Steinberg taketh away…

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I’ll second the part criticizing the move of dropping VST2 support.

Compatibility is the holy grail! A software company should NEVER, never ever drop compatibility to older versions of central components or APIs, if that means letting their customers standing out in the rain.

And, for many years, hearing the complaints of plugin developers that VST3 is featurewise nowhere near VST2 and not reacting to those complaints is not good.

Steinberg, make up your mind, please, do the only sensible thing and DO NOT drop support for VST2! That would just be a very stupid decision, and customers would hate you for that. And rightly so.

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Steinberg traditionally is a Mac company. The VST SDK won’t ever support VST2 on Apple silicon; they would have to modify the VST2 SDK for that, and they decided to not invest any effort into VST2 anymore years ago. To keep things identical between Mac and PC, they buried VST2 in general.

There are wrappers. It won’t be a problem to use VST2 plugins in Cubase on your PC for many years to come. So please stop crying - PC users won’t be affected too hard, and Mac users are used to the fact that a software older than a year won’t run at all on current MacOS versions, because Apple all the time drops support for older APIs etc.

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Lol. Indeed…

Before Emagic/Apple dropped Windows support for Logic in 2002, Steinberg even released complete versions of their Software for Mac only (remember Cubase VST 4?). Today, some products are still only available for the Apple ecosystem (Cubase iC Pro, Dorico for iPad etc). You may say VST4 was 20 years ago, but many of the same guys that developed these old products today are lead developers, product managers and so on in the company.

AFAIK, Steinberg’s Nuendo platform (and the following Cubase SX) were the first products being released in parallel for Win and Mac. But some of the guys mainly responsible for this step left Steinberg a few years later and went to Presonus (Ewald, Oppermann, Kundrus), leaving the ‘I love my Mac’ guys in the company. Meanwhile owned by Pinnacle, they again had to hire new Windows focused staff.

Best thing ever happening to Cubase PC users was Apple buying Emagic, using the Macintosh as a hardware dongle. That’s the main reason why the PC platform today is just as (or financially even more) important than Mac for Steinberg. But traditionally, they’re a Mac company.

We certainly define tradition differently.

To me it’s an enduring custom that has roots in the origins of a given company or culture.

Both Mac and Windows versions were being released through the 90s…

If you go back as far as you have, traditionally everything was Mac based, Windows couldn’t perform well enough to focus on that ecosystem for a Digital Audio Workstation. I don’t think it is appropriate to say that Steinberg is a Mac focus company in comparison to say Avid. It is easy to forget what the systems were like back then. Every DAW was primarily a Mac DAW.

I switched from Logic to Cubase in the SX days specifically because, at the time, I didn’t have a Mac. These days, it doesn’t make a lot of since for a new user to run anything on Mac but Logic. They are paying for the machine one way or another, and Logic is less than half the price of other DAWs with lifetime updates. If you are a Mac only person under 25, or your parents got you a Mac already, you are going to go with Logic by default.

So, framing Steinberg as a Mac centric company simply doesn’t make sense. Steinberg has shown, at least since the SX days that they take their Windows customers just as seriously as their Mac customers, if not more so. it’s what makes good financial sense.

All of that aside, Apple still has a superior platform, and everyone knows it. Whether they like the company, or want to admit it or not. (And I’m on Windows!)

One of the things about Windows that holds it back, and actually holds back the hardware is the insistence on backwards compatibility. The unfortunate reality is that windows isn’t really backwards compatible. Windows 11 has proven this, as much of the software we use has had to go through multiple development cycles to be compatible with Windows 11. So the effort to stay somewhat backwards compatible is actually hindering the Windows ecosystem.

The whole idea of backwards compatibility is a misnomer. Almost nothing in Software is truly backwards compatible. Software engineers have developed versioning and packaging systems to deal with this, where each component specifies the versions of other components on which it is dependent. It is always changing, always in flux.

At this point VST2 is ancient from a software perspective. Anyone developing for VST2 and not through Juice or the like, and simply providing a VST2 along side the other platforms, is simply not maintaining their product. There has been enough time to move, that from a Software Engineering perspective, it simply isn’t responsible.

Any animosity that is felt should be properly directed to the lack of maintenance by these developers.

I applaud Steinberg for the length of time they have provided already in notifying the development community, this isn’t a big surprise right now remember. This has been coming for a very long time. I further applaud them for continuing to provide professional grade Audio Production solutions, and in supporting a whole ecosystem with VST to begin with. Finally sunsetting VST2 is the responsible thing to do for everyone concerned. If you are going to be upset, be upset at the developers who have not maintained their code.

Steinberg should drop all Mac support and just claim all PCs as its dongle. :upside_down_face:

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Wasnt VST 4 on the Mac essentially VST24 on the PC? I seem to remember it was like a stop gap release to catch the Mac up to where the PC was at the time but maybe Im remembering that all wrong. That was literally when the company I worked for decided for some reason I was their new Mac specialist and I had to go run out and buy a G3 to learn how to use it and started moving my audio over to it. When SX came out, I jumped ship to Emagic (didnt like the way it was laid out compared to VST32) and then got stuck on the Mac once Apple took it over…

I don’t have inside info, but a couple of little items that make me think it’s not as far fetched as it sounds.

I believe, Steinberg started on the Atari ST platform - using a Motorola 68000 CPU. Early macs were using the same CPU. - So moving from the Atari to the Mac would have seemed an easier transition. In addition, back then the Atari and the Mac had a graphical desktop and a mouse, while PCs were still using the command prompt.

All the demo’s I’ve seen over the last couple of decades done by any Steinberg rep were on a Mac.

p.s. There was an amazing Mac emulator for the Atari ST, well before the idea of a Hackintosh.

Only if you think in strictly binary yes/no terms.

Windows is definitely a lot more backwards compatible than MacOS, witnessed by the fact, that I am still running quite old 32bit midi software side by side and even interacting with 64bit apps.

While I also believe that MacOS is superior in many ways (it’s my daily driver), I also run a Windows 10 PC as my main studio computer.

There are just different trade-offs between the Apple eco-system, the Windows eco-system and the various Linux eco-systems. I’m using all 3 on a daily basis. Each for different use cases, where their respective strengths shine and their respective weaknesses don’t get in the way too much. :slight_smile:

Yes, that’s right – I can tell you from 1st hand knowledge. In 1989 I was in Paris, France and I had an Atari 1040ST, running Cubase 1.0. Monochrome monitor, the machine had midi and audio jacks built-in.

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Sweet!

I had a dual monitor setup for my 1040ST, one monochrome, and the other one color. But I never experienced Steinberg on my Atari, since they were a bit late arriving in Canada and so I started midi sequencing using Dr.T’s Sequencer software on the Atari complete with a Roland MIDI to DCB interface allowing my Juno 60 to be sequenced from my Atari. :nerd_face:

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A Moderato from Paris playing a Stradavari and using a PC, this esplains a lot.