I find that Dorico expression maps are more useful than Cubase expression maps due to the note conditions and mutual exclusion groups.
I agree, that is one reason I am heavily considering Dorico for even my mockups, they are ahead of everyone else in terms of articulation management, I feel. The DAW’s, including Cubase are lagging behind.
In addition to what you just mentioned, Dorico also added the init and add-on capabilities, with Cubase its very very cumbersome to setup mutually exclusive add-on groups, etc… A number of other things too.
pretty much none of the DAW’s articulation management systems properly forward CC and PitchBend events to other channels when channelizing is used to select each articulation note on different instrument channels. Dorico does that though! Everyone else has missed it, including Cubase.
You never get to work directly with the MIDI like you do in Cubase. As with any tool, the more you work with Dorico the better results you will get, and I have faith in the Dorico team that they will continue to improve the playback intelligence and options of the program
So please humor with a bit more…Dorico has a piano roll where I guess we can manually change the notes, at least a bit. We can change their duration and start time… we can manually add CC curves to our heart’s content it seems also. What sorts of things, specifically, do you find yourself doing in Cubase that you are unable to do in Dorico in terms of manually tweaking midi?
One feature I would love to see in Dorico is simply copying a set of notes from a staff in Dorico and pasting those notes as MIDI into the Cubase MIDI editor just as if you were copying MIDI notes from one track in Cubase to another.
Yes! And visa versa, I’d love to be able to use various midi tools I have, including DAW plugins, where are designed to play around with musical ideas, etc…and copy just a phrase from there into Dorico at a certain place on a staff. That’s not really directly related to mockup, but I see that as an area where composing in a DAW provides a lot of midi manipulation options while coming up with material.
Bottom line is that creating a satisfactory playback performance is going to take just as much effort (fine tuning) in Dorico as it will in Cubase…but I find composing in Dorico to be much more productive and interesting than composing with Cubase - there’s just something about seeing your notes in staves on a score that a MIDI editor can’t provide.
I don’t know about you, but I can barely think “musically” when I look at a pianoroll. When I see notes on staves, my music brain switches on. It was drilled into me at a young age to see chords, chord qualities, etc… and seeing actual visual accidentals helps to identify chromaticism, etc… so yea…I’m with you. I really want to use traditional notation while composing. That’s part of why I’m leaning towards Dorico as my primary composing platform…but…I’d really like to understand exactly if and when I may need to move things to Cubase in order to really nail the mockups.
And as I said, another area where DAW’s have a lot of cool features is in the area of using midi plugins and such to generate midi regions full of whatever…chords, patterns, phrases, etc… There are really many ways that this kind of stuff is useful, but as you said…if we could copy and paste short bits of midi between DAW’s and Dorico…then we could just use Dorico for the main mockup and use Cubase for experimentation, etc.
I actually have this sort of vision where I do quick sketching with Dorico and NotePerformer, then at some point if I like where its going, I switch over to using a VSL based Playback template…which SHOULD theoretically handle all the same playback techniques in the right new way, presuming I have setup my VSL playback template in the right way to handle all the playback techniques that are used by NotePeformer… And next step would be to manually work in the Dorico piano roll with CC curves, etc… in order to try to dial in the performance closer to good enough… And then finally, I guess it sounds like if I have something basically finished but I want to make the best possible mockup with many humanization elements added…and certain midi fine tuning that I can’t do in Dorico…that’s when I would export the midi to Cubase, continue using the VePro instance…and then tweak it as much as I want.
I could also see that it would basically need to be in Cubase in order to really be able to do things like generate stems and things like that…