Why doesn't group sound?

I have a series of audio drum tracks derived from midi originally. they were assinged to play to the master channel. they were low in the mix, so I assigned them individually to a group channel, DRUMS, assigned to the master. Now I hear nothing. Volumes are up.

Can you post a screenshot of the routings for
-a single audio drum track
-the group track DRUMS
I assume that you hear other signals if you turn off the solo button, right? Which are ideally routed to your stereo out (your ā€œmaster channelā€, right?)

So this shows routing of individual drums and the group drums and melodic. The only things sounding are the BD assigned to master and the flute and tablas also so assigned. I just discovered that other instruments, if assligned to melodic also donā€™t sound

Routing seems okay. Is the pregain set to a normal level in your channels?
If you assign other instruments to your groups - are these audio tracks as well? The level of both group channels are around -18dB. That should be fine but have you tried turning them a bit up? Maybe the signals are very low? The waveforms in the first picture look huge but the visual appearance can be misleading as you might just have magnified the height by accident but not the signal itselfā€¦

Hello,

that is your group channel?
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I wonder if that is a type group channel at all, as in my CB13 by default group channels have a blue fader.
So to me that looks more like a normal audio channel.
And then the routing will not work.

It is a group channel. The symbol indicates that.
You can customize the fader color.

On your first screenshot, I see a very low volume automation level set in your Drums group track. No problem, as long as you donā€™t activate the Read state of it. But what makes me wonder is that we se it activated in your second oneā€¦

So, and as the routing seems more or less correct, I would check again all what is related to volume automation, deactivating all the ones that could intervene in the signal flow.

Another point : all the tracks, either directly or via group ones seem to be routed to a ā€˜Masterā€™ bus. It would be helpful to see it and its own routing in another screenshot, as we miss an important part of your setup, I thinkā€¦

Anything going to the master sounds. The audio tracks are so loud, blasting. This is why I wanted to route all the melodic to the group channel so I could turn all down at once, but when I route thus, then I hear nothing. I am wondering what all these extra midi channels are. Not using Halion here, and further to the left are midi tracks which actually sound. I have a strange thing when the midi on opening the project says a bunch of things are missing, which are more complete names such as Proteus 2000. I then have a choice of Windows Midi and choose PK2. Same for other devices which sometimes have 2 names.
I was just going to close and reopen to see what it says, but I got an error file first and then when I opened the project I didnā€™t have the list of missing devices, and accepted what I chose when I had opened before, but didnā€™t save any changes.

Could you please make sure no tracks are soloed (you can turn down the master output to compensate if itā€™s loud), and then press play so that you have signal on the source tracks when you take the screenshot, and make sure that the tracks that contain audio are in the screenshot along with the group and output tracks.

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If nothing is soloed, then it would be hard to tell if the midi tracks are playing or the audio tracks that were recorded while playing them. There are too many track to include all those in one view. Also if nothing is soloed, then they are all muted arenā€™t they, or do I need to do something so they arenā€™t muted, when I un-solo?

Also, folder tracks donā€™t work, the melodic autio tracks are in a folder track, Melodic. I have to solo each one individually. I heard some say, create a new folder track and move into. So I created melodic 1 and no difference, pressing its solo does nothing. Cubase 13 has the same problems or bugs I dealt with in C6, Frustrating, to try to get anything done.

Yeah but right now there is no signal on anything and you have solo enabled. By disabling solo I would expect to see signal at least somewhere if you have pressed play when taking the screenshot. As it is right now we can see some routing but no signals at all.

We just need to see some tracks having signal in them.

Iā€™m confused. If nothing is soloed then anything that you have not manually muted should be playing back.

Maybe do a screen recording then (video) rather than pictures. Itā€™s really hard to follow what youā€™re doing and what the problem is.

I hid a bunch of tracks so relevant view. Here those assigned to master are playing. When assigned to group melodic instead, no play.
So actually (1st sent mixer where drums were unhidden accidentally), in either assignment to master or melodic, the tracks show playing, but the difference is that I hear nothing with the melodic group assignment.


And can a bunch of tracks be reassigned at once or do they all have to be done individually? Hassle going back and forth.

That is strange. The only thing I can think of to try is duplicating the group track and re-route to that new group to see if the behavior is the same. Also maybe importing the tracks into a new empty project to troubleshoot.

I donā€™t recall seeing this behavior in Nuendo so itā€™s weird.

Yes, select multiple tracks first, then you can navigate to the routing tab and click on it to get the list of destinations, then before clicking on the desired destination you press and hold ALT and SHIFT (windows). This is a generic ā€œdo this to all selectedā€ key modifier. So if you want to toggle multiple inserts on/of you can do the same thing.

So I deleted the melodic group track, created a new one and used the alt shift to reassign all and it worked, thanks. I had to rasie levels. I had been trying just shift before.

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Perhaps there was some corruption there or something.

Glad you got it sorted.

For the sake of curiosity, looking at those last two pictures:

Just above the names, drums and melodic, we can see the group icon alright. But thereā€™s no symbol for the channel configuration. Neither the single circle for mono, nor the two intersecting circles for stereo. Moreover, there are no meter markings (0, -6. -12 etc). Itā€™s as if the group doesnā€™t have a bus to pass audio through.

So, how can we get in such a situation in the first place?

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You forgot to mention the missing pan fader on every channel that is routed to such a group.

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Right. Looks like corrupted tracks.

Itā€™s odd.