Why no audio input [macOS]?

I dont understand what you talk about.

And it’s so obvious. Steinberg MR816X andf Behringer UMC1820 does not require me to give any software access to the microphone!

I still have no idea what you talk about. They are hardware devices.

And so is the 828es.

So what you are trying to say that those devices does not need permissions for audio in cubase to work?

Apple treats all audio hardware the same…

an application needs access to these in order to process audio or at least capture (get input streams)
no matter how professional it is
it’s not e real security issue in general, but how it’s done is a bit risky
we had these discussions on windows some years ago already… they did something similiar

the solution both provide is not the best and save way, it’s a compromise between security and comfort
with end users in mind
and all this is not the reason for the problems with Catalina

What I am saying (not trying) is that they don’t force me to take security risks by forcing me to give software, that donesn’t need it, access to the camera and microphone. I hope that that is clear enough!

I think a prefer a cubase with audio support.

So you prefer the risk of being black-mailed. This has actually happened to thousands of people, when hackers have gained access to their cameras and microphones!

There is absolutely no reason for Cubase, or any DAW, access to the microphone. In this case I don’t think that it’s Steinberg who demands this. It’s Apple who is to blame for making security breaches easier for crimonals.

I can have 10 microphones connected to my mac, it the hole point with cubase. And giving the access to cubase will require that the criminals are working at Steinberg. If criminals do a attack is it most like through a web-browser. If they can install software through the web-browser it still need my approval to get access to the microphone.

I don’t know what kind of computer you are using, but I’ve never seen one with 10 inbuilt microphones and/or 10 mic inputs.

Were not talking only about Cubase here. We’re talking about every program that is used to input audio via the audio interface. Futhermore, it’s okay for Cubase to have access to your audio interface, but not to your systems inbuilt microphone. The criminals don’t need to work at Steinberg in order to piggy-back to get access. Every unnecessary access piont is an unnesserary security risk.

The MR816X and the UMC1820 proves that it’s not nessary for Cubase (or any audio software) to have access to the internal microphone, in order to work! That is unless you use the computers internal microphone to track vocals.

And, once again, it’s not Cubase that request access. It’s macOS along with MOTUs drivers. I have pointed out the issue to the lattter. We’ll se what they have to say about it.

Gaining access to computers (pads and smartphones) microphones and cameras is how both the police and criminals bug you. The police in order to fish for criminal activity and the criminals in order to find info that could be used for extorstion. You may not be bothered by knowing that someone could be recording (video and audio) everything that is said and done in your home, but I am!

t really does not make any difference of what microphone it is. Audio is the sensitive part that you need to grant.

You need consider the requested permission for each program. It is up to you.

I still not undstand why you compare hardware with software.

You are right, cubase is not asking for it, but it should, you can not record audio without it. Now you need to know or search internet for a solution. And using internet is far more dangerous than the other things you do.

That is why there are requirement for you to grant access.

No it isn’t! I’m forces to accept to continue to use software that I’ve used for decades, without taking those risks.

Maybe because I’ve been talking about hardware all the time. However, to use hardware with software requires specialised software. Take some harware without the required software, and see how far you get.

No there isn’t. I have no leagal obligation to grant criminals access to my computer system! Quite on the contrary, I have the right to prevent them doing so. But I guess a criminal hacker wouldn’t agree!

your audio software will need access to the audio subsystem
and to record something you will use the part of the system where the microphone is
so Cubase will need the rights to use microphone and camera because you can play video content with Cubase

that’s what I referred as “the way they did”
the choice of the words isn’t that intuitive for the advanced user but does allow the average user to understand what the system wants

Macken

go ahead and take the rights from Cubase away… see what happens

If I also reverted to the MR816X or UMC1820, nothing! Everything would work perfectly.

did you tried it?

No, but I used the UMC1820 until two weeks ago (when I replaced it with the 828es), with no access given and with no problems!

So why not try it? You will see that Cubase without the permission to use the microfone will not handle audio at all and this will affect the UMC1820 as well

Of cause it will work. It did two weeks ago!!! Get it? There’s no reason for me to spend the time to tear down and reconfigure my studio, just becaue you refuse to accept facts!

Stop this. This conversation won’t lead anywhere!