Why people are moving away from Cubase

[alexis]

@greggybud

@alexis

Steinberg has said they are way too busy to be communicating very much here on the forums. Well,that is certainly a business/personnel allocation decision they can make, but a consequence may be that people will try to fill in the gaps, possibly with inaccurate information.

More communication from Steinberg would almost certainly keep the incorrect rumors and statements down, IMO.

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On the flip side, they certainly could be more present on this public forum even if they said “we can’t discuss that yet.”

I see too many instances where a thread is started and dozens of users participate for weeks but no participation from Steinberg employees or a moderator.

And what is worse is when an employee or moderator finally addresses the post and says “this is by design” with no logical explanation, and then never participates in the thread again to answer questions. That is bad and it happens too often. Perhaps the moderator doesn’t know more himself, but if that’s the case it would seem the very least he could do is try to get an answer or reply that he doesn’t know.

I’m not interested in corporate secrets, I referenced communication and information, along the lines of the details you listed.

Steinberg have clearly said they are much too busy to post for things like that however. I’m just pointing out that the next thing to happen is pretty predictable, people will post all kinds of things to fill the information void, some of them wrong, and some just stirring things up in general when they didn’t have to be.

It seems to me that a little time spent by Steinberg up front would save more time spent on damage control later, but I’m sure they have their reasons to disagree.

[Steinberg_Archived]

@Headlands

It concerns me that it’s not showing up in a technical way as an issue at Steinberg

If it concerns you, I wonder why you never followed up with the needed information despite I offered you direct help on various occasions.

[steve]

@alexis

@SteveInChicago

The takeaway from threads like this (those that start with an unproved premise) is that all you have to do is type something in order to create the appearance of a valid statement.

The posting of a phrase such as “The earth is flat” gets the same prominence as “The earth is round”, regardless of its accuracy. Then, others post agreeing or disagreeing and some of these participants presume that a consensus has been reached. This assertion becomes a presumption which is used to buoy one side or another- both in the starting thread, and in others, by way of citation, and then we see statements like 90% of say , making an, well, click me, because I can’t say it here

Surely you understand that, as “unfair” as it may seem, when there is a vacuum of little to no information coming to the users from the developer - human nature is to fill it with some other information, even if it is misinformation.

Steinberg has said they are way too busy to be communicating very much here on the forums. Well,that is certainly a business/personnel allocation decision they can make, but a consequence may be that people will try to fill in the gaps, possibly with inaccurate information.

More communication from Steinberg would almost certainly keep the incorrect rumors and statements down, IMO.

Alexis, I was making a point about the relatively low bar needed to create the impression of veracity on the Internet. Sorry, you missed my point.

[BM-TSR]

I leave Cubase behind at the mixing stage because of the horrible “clickfest galore” the mixer is.
It has so much to ask for, that I don’t know where to begin.

I actually prefer to do my tracking in C8.5, due to the great combination of Lanes and Track Versions (and obviously some great editing capabilities), and I really like the Arrange/Project page… And the Control Room feature is the one feature I “can’t live without”.

… But the mixer looks and feels like it is from a completely different program. Absolutely horrendous IMO.

PS. I set up a mix including 83 audio tracks in about half the time in Studio One Pro 3 than in C8.5 (even though I an supposed to know Cubase much better, used them 90/10 in favour of Cubase).
This includes organizing, color coding the tracks, and routing etc.
Drag and drop of plugins is another great advantage in favour of S1 (without insert restrictions - great for testing different plugins… NO, I don’t need 16 insert within a mix, but it is great to compare stuff).

If people leave Cubase, I really do believe that the mixer is a big part of it…

[alexis]

@SteveInChicago

@alexis

@SteveInChicago

The takeaway from threads like this (those that start with an unproved premise) is that all you have to do is type something in order to create the appearance of a valid statement.

The posting of a phrase such as “The earth is flat” gets the same prominence as “The earth is round”, regardless of its accuracy. Then, others post agreeing or disagreeing and some of these participants presume that a consensus has been reached. This assertion becomes a presumption which is used to buoy one side or another- both in the starting thread, and in others, by way of citation, and then we see statements like 90% of say , making an, well, click me, because I can’t say it here

Surely you understand that, as “unfair” as it may seem, when there is a vacuum of little to no information coming to the users from the developer - human nature is to fill it with some other information, even if it is misinformation.

Steinberg has said they are way too busy to be communicating very much here on the forums. Well,that is certainly a business/personnel allocation decision they can make, but a consequence may be that people will try to fill in the gaps, possibly with inaccurate information.

More communication from Steinberg would almost certainly keep the incorrect rumors and statements down, IMO.

Alexis, I was making a point about the relatively low bar needed to create the impression of veracity on the Internet. Sorry, you missed my point.

Thank you, Steve. I’m afraid I made my point poorly … it was that posts like that are not surprising, indeed are expected where information is sparse and the developer doesn’t communicate with the user base.

I understood and agree with your post, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogfPKm-oYIA&list=PLEm7pigh1tLdCZv4glB9oJtukAPx0g5A_&index=7 .

[trashdinner]

This thread is getting philosophical … It’s true that I didn’t give tons of details on the people I was talking about and gave names and all for obvious privacy reasons … I just stated what was happening at work and it might not be the case elsewhere. Meanwhile, Fabio was quite nice and replied quickly (even on a Sunday) and he offered to assist me regarding performance issues and said he would bring up the Edit Mode request. That’s what I call good communication.

[trashdinner]

@Fabio Bartolini

HI trashdinner,

I’ll bring the Edit Mode topic up. FRs can be posted in the Forum (where especially Guillermo browses and forwards the requests) or sent via a MySteinberg support request. About performance, if you think there is anything to check, I’m always interested in this - you can send an e-mail to my attention or PM for further info.

@Karlito: Issues posted on the forum do no enter the bug base on their own, it takes someone to reproduce and create the official issue. And quite some are found and entered by either us or QA, the beta testers or even the devs themselves before the users report. BON-16608 is part of a bigger hover improvement task; according to the system, it’s in 8.5.30.

Thank you Fabio! I’ll send a support request for the Edit Mode. About the performance, I’m a beta tester so I’m currently testing other things but I’ll try to do dig deeper and make a report about it if I have time. Thanks for your help!

[alexis]

@trashdinner

…That’s what I call good communication.

Yes, this thread is a great example of that!

[Luis_Dongo]

@dbh

+1 for edit mode.

I’m just a lowly film composer without the need for full post production tools that Nuendo supplies and this function would help my workflow significantly. I’m amazed HZ hasn’t requested this.

I’m not sure why there’s no crossgrade between Cubase and Nuendo so my only option is to pay the cost of a full Nuendo license for that one feature.

Hello dbh,

actually we do offer a Cubase → Nuendo crossgrade that basically saves you the Cubase price and turns your license into a Nuendo (+NEK) license.

You can find all infos about it here: Compare Nuendo and Cubase | Steinberg

To the OP: Not to say that Cubase isn’t the greatest software for music creation and composition there is, but it is Nuendo the actual platform we are focusing on for Game Audio workflows. Our research, as well as the reaction from the game audio community since the release of Nuendo 7, is showing us that many game music composers, sound designers and game developers in general are moving TO Nuendo from other platforms. We are in a very close relationship with many big players in the game audio industry to keep making Nuendo better and better for them, and even though I can’t talk for every single game audio person out there, as I’m sure many people like to see other options - there are many other great tools available - so far the feedback about Nuendo 7 has been very positive. You may want to take a look at it

My 2 cents. I wish you guys a good day.

All the best,


[19th Feb 2019 - Mod Edit: deleted post and locked thread to avoid further necro-posting]