Will Cubase 13 have an improved Score Editor?

I hope they don’t ditch the Cubase score editor. I really like it. It fits the Cubase environment. Maybe they could leave it in situ but make a version of Dorico that runs as a plug-in that you get if you purchase Dorico stand alone.

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What about another standard? Like an adapter between Digital Audio Workstations and Score Editors. That way the end users can use any score editor they want in whatever DAW they prefer. Once the base is up and running for such an adapter it will be much more flexible and perhaps even easier to maintain than painting yourself into a proprietary corner. And the end users who completely “hate” one score editor can use another. But yeah, this will definitively be a deep future release date haha. I like the idea, but I’ve only pondered it for 3 minutes and 42 seconds.
Also I realize only programs which are made to adhere to this “standard” will function correctly or even at all, of course, but Steinberg hasn’t been shy of trying and succeeding in creating standards before. so it’s worth … at least to think about? Someone has to jump in first …

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I love and have both Cubase and Dorico. Just the thought of having them both open as i work… will be, to me, like what a Fazioli Grand piano would be for a pianist (with taste). I’ve switched to using Studio one and Notion briefly before and the most thing i loved about those softwares was the level of integration between them. I’m sure (or at least hoping) that Steinberg are working on it.

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Can I reply to my own reply? :smiley:
I just saw some brief overview of MIDI 2.0
What about a scoring standard built into or around MIDI 2.0 adoptable by anyone interested in the spirit of the marvelous industry wide support for MIDI 1.0 when it was released, or rather some time after when corporations saw the opportunity to make a few bucks and after they had stopped laughing at Sequential Circuits and Roland for their ridiculous invention. MIDI as a protocol is a member of a very small group which was the right thing to do from the get go, hasn’t misbehaved nor wreaked havoc and is still working reasonably well although it’s a little long in the tooth. What if there was such a thing for scoring and notation which is half MIDI anyway. Yes, it’s immensely more complicated to get to work smoothly than raw MIDI but it’s also doable and there are more tools to do it with than in the early 80s. It would be a pain where the sun doesn’t shine but when it’s done it would be celebrated like … sliced bread? :smiley:

All you have to do is convince some major players of this industry that there is an advantage for them that their competing products should be able to interchange their stuff with each other. Good luck.

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Thanks! You have any phone numbers? :rofl:

It eventually worked for MIDI 1.0. Yeah, it’s more larger than MIDI 1.0 but everything is.

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The notice from the discontinuation is about the midi settings window isn’t it?
Now they have midi remote….

The screenshot is from:
Studio > Studio Setup > Generic Remote

Exactly. No idea where the score editor speculation came from.

My score editor speculation came from: 1) the fact that Cubase 12 didn’t have anything new added to the Score Editor, and: 2) from seeing the leaked info on Cubase 13 (which also doesn’t seem to have improvements that would make working with the score editor easier).


For me the biggest improvements would be:

  • editing score events with the Project Logical Editor—or a new Score Logical Editor
  • being able to filter specific score events in the List Editor

Other issues one might encounter working with the Score Editor can be overcome using automation (AppleScript, AutoHotKey, etc). One example (using applescript and bash):

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I don’t really have need of hemi-demi-semi-quavers offset and in B# minor augmented (yeh I made this up but you know what I mean). Cubase score is very good IMO and cos I know it, it’s asy to work with.

Dorico is harder. Yes it’s more powerful but usually I do not need the power.

I don’t use it yet precisely because rthere is no Cubase integration and I work in Cubase. There is a lot of stuff that goes on in music that notation never touches and is incapable of expressing, Cubase handles a lot of this. We need seamless integration either way.

Yes ,a cut down of Dorico is going to happen soon but this does not mean it’s fully integrated. I hope it is.

IMO
Z

I’m not sure where this comes from, but SB has said nothing like this. I presume you speak purely speculatively.

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“…a cut down of Dorico…”

Hmm - there’s already the free Dorico SE version, or Elements, which are both ‘cut-down’ from Pro… or maybe I’ve missed the point and this is about a different kind of ‘cut-down’ altogether…?

Anyway, here’s the current edition comparison chart (including the free Dorico SE):-
Compare the Versions of Dorico: Elements & Pro | Steinberg

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why would Steinberg even ponder, it would be a total disaster for the product and I would be taking my journey to a different DAW

It seems to me there were recent postings on this point to the effect that the person most responsible for developing/maintaining the score writer function is Cubase is nearing retirement. I doubt anybody is contemplating removing the score capability from Cubase. But it certainly makes sense to try to find a way to not have to maintain both sets of code.

Personally I’d expect the Cubase function to be frozen, and would hope eventually to see linkage between Cubase and Dorico, including a minimal version of Dorico included in Cubase.

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Making Dorico to run seamless with the next Cubase version might increase sales in Dorico and possibly make the score editor more attractive and flexible

just my humble opinion others may differ

Alan Russell

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Hello, Have You tested the Cubase 13 Score Editor ? Are they any improvements ?
Thank You :wink:

Hi! I can’t afford to get the Cubase 13 update right now. However, I don’t think the Score Editor has been improved… For now, the key for me is to use GUI script automation for the tasks that require tedious adjustments. I guess Steinberg has no interest in making the Score Editor better. It’s their software, so…

It is the same score editor

Hello guys and Merry Christmas! :slight_smile:
I hope you are all doing well during the holidays! :slight_smile:

Well, as one of those who asked many times for the Score Editor improvement in Cubase and the synchronization between Dorico ↔ Cubase / Nuendo, I would say:

  • Cubase needs completely new Score Editor, actually the one from Dorico should be integrated.

  • It should provide more correct and nicer looking scoresheets without the advanced Engraving features of Dorico. In case someone needs to tweak, he / she should invest in Dorico.

  • In order the new Score Editor to work properly, Cubase should follow the same principles as Dorico does: Playing Techniques, Playback Techniques, obligatory articulation & technique assignments (no free articulations and techniques that don’t have musical meaning in their names), Expression / Percussion Maps equal to Dorico’s ones.

  • Playback Templates that will allow us to switch faster between the instrument templates, the same way as in Dorico.

  • Various Orchestral, Bands, Chamber, Choral and Solo Project Templates as starting point.

  • The Flows should be integrated as well, no doubt. It will keep the projects far more straightforward, and if there are various instrumental setups per flows, it will keep the project simpler and cleaner with as less, as possible tracks / staffs.

  • In the KeyEditor we don’t need a separate layer per Expression Maps articulation. It takes so much vertical space. Dorico has only a single articulation layer (enclosed in red on the screenshot below) and it works perfectly well:

  • The Voicing Per Staff strategy should also be taken from Dorico. Currently in Cubase it’s limited to 4 Voices SATB and SATB 2:
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  • Played Durations, Notated Durations and Lock Playerd Durations should be integrated in Cubase / Nuendo as well.
    That way we would be able to have humanized playback and quantized MIDI for proper looking scores and Export. So, those functions should be available:
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  • The Condensing and Divisi & Gli-altri should also be included in Cubase / Nuendo the same way they work in Dorico

Many things should done in order Cubase / Nuendo to get a modern, powerful and easy to use Score Editor… Unfortunately having in mind how the team, behind Cubase, care about what is really needed by the users… I doubt we’ll see all these important improvements in the near future…

Greetings,
Thurisaz :slight_smile: