Helge said in relation to 1176-alike: “The nice sounding and looking compressor you mention is an updated version of our Vintage Compressor! It is also available as channelstrip module in every channel”
but what is updated??
If they just change the looks its technically an update.
Can’t wait to a/b with the UAD, cause that one eats up my UAD card a lot so I can’t use it too often.
You can A/B it with current Vintage Compressor. I bet it is the same algorithm, just looks more fancy. And it will be on every channel now, so it must be very efficient, and I wouldn’t expect it can compete with UAD, maybe only in how nice it looks… Let us know how Vintage Compressor sounds to you, if you campare it with 1176 on UAD.
I disagree. I used to use 2 Urei 1176’s in the studio that I worked in years back and let me tell you this is not a bad emulation of that sound and feeling. For one, no two were alike to begin with but they all had that certain pleasing pumping sound as opposed to the unpleasant pumping sound on a lot of copy cats out there. This one actually has a very pleasant sound if used correctly. Some people never give anything new a chance and love to be the acclaimed experts. Fact is there is a lot of subjectivity to the 1176 copys out there and you have to keep in mind this is not an actual Urie1176 but as for a plug in, it is not bad, not bad at all. Good move Steinberg.
And so is the marketing. No plug in will sound like the equivalent hardware. It can’t. It’s math, as opposed to a signal flowing through a physical curcuit. That’s not to say the SB vers of the 1176 isn’t good; it’s just not like the real thing.
Besides, what it really boils down to, is how it is used. But we all know that, right? Right.
In every branch of engineering math is the main tool - every circuit (analogue and digital) can be precisely described mathematically. Most EEs wont even build any hardware before extensive computer simulations of the curcuit have been done.
A problem with modelling HW is how to emulate functions from the continuous time (CT) domain in the discrete time (DT) domain - what works in the CT domain can’t always be transfered directly to the DT domain. But it’s still all math!
No, I was talking about how EEs work today. My point was to help you in your obvious misunderstanding of circuits and mathematics. That UREI didn’t use computer simulations doesn’t invalidate my point in any way.
i have designed and built analog systems without simulation. also designed analog systems (ICs) with simulation. also accurately modeled pre-80s analog systems in software.
designing is not the same as modeling. designing a system takes effort, care, and skill. modeling a system in simulation requires the same. both are based in mathematics and fundamental physical laws
oh and i like the sound of the compressors. very fun to crank the tube past its practical limit
Any of this equipment can indeed be modelled mathematically (whether it was designed according to a mathematical model or more likely designed along certain principles is unimportant) however such analog equipment will always fall short (vary from) the central model, and it is precisely these shortcomings which give us our love or hate response towards such equipment.
I began my career in ET when vacuum tubes were still being taught, and with that kind of equipment the effect is even greater.
Well I don’t think the Tube Compressor is in the same league as the UAD 1176. I have been using the Updated 1176 set. I tried the Tube Compressor against the purple 1176 and I have to say it was ok, but the 1176 was more solid and toneful. There was less of a difference between the standard UAD 1176, but it was still quite noticeable.