No, we’re talking about the same thing. It’s annoying, but you can’t blame this one on Steinberg.
Hmm. What are some keywords? I cant find anything atm but I would like to def find out…as that would solve most of the issues; or at least a workaround
I 100% agree that your hardware should be updating and that is an issue. But what I’m saying is that if you just select the channel via a button on an iPad, prior to moving the volume , BMT could, amongst other things, be updating your hardware. I’m no wiz at this stuff, but Steve at Bome is and if you currently use BMT I’m 99% sure there is a simple workaround.
Yeah thanks for the thoughts. I have worked with Steve and he even helped out on the gesture project…but I have tried all those avenues.
If PLE is selecting the channel…and no feedback, clicking on UI no feedback…then the issue is that the controller doesnt know where it is because of no feedback, if you know what I mean
After @GlennO mentioning that its Mackie (despite me being able to select a track in Live and it all works) then its either a workaround scrolling the hardware or Reaper I think
Wow, so not even Steve can get BMT to update the banks on your controller surface. Genuinely shocked.
Steve does nice stuff on BOME…this is not a midi issue but a bug…the door is closed for standard knocking 
Lets hope that Steinberg is listening 
I do know what you mean. But just to clarify, if you use a button press to fire off the PLE, the same button press could/should get Bome to send your controller surface bank information. If your controller surface cannot receive bank change information from a program like BMT, there is an issue there.
Thats correct. There is no command for “Bank 3”…only up or down. The maths needs to be done on Cubase side. Thats how I was doing it as workaround in BOME and prob only choice but its spurred me on to have a look around
Could you elaborate? I don’t see any Java API from Steinberg. AFAIK they use Javascript for MIDI Remote and C/C++ for ASIO and VST programming. If there is a Java layer somewhere I would be interested to know about it.
Also, I guess your gripes are with what Steinberg offers in terms of functionality at their APIs? What does this have to do with the Java programming language? So, please allow me to correct your equation: Java != vomit. 
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Sorry I short handed java=javascript and Im talking about critical things missing in the remote API…just check the Mackie replacement in midi remote and read the issues.
I personally find the verbose nature and styling so kludgy compared to python which I found no trouble in learning and actually enjoy although I dont want to code anymore…I just want to make music and the remote.
So the thought of, after coding for at least 30 years…Im just tired of it and javascript reminds me of all nighters getting stuff ready in impossible conditions (javascript) = vomit. in this context
My gripe is that stuff just doesnt work when I paid for a working version…case in point is Mackie control which now corners me in and I just want to streamline what I do without coding but the remote editor is a looong way from that as well so many dead ends
I keep saying, expose the wnd handles so we can macro it ourselves since its so seems to hard to do.
Corel has done it for decades, so has photoshop etc and Reaper (not yet stufied) seems to have a decent handle on it
@Aurasphere may I ask, if you’re deep into a program like Cubase and rely on Hardware controlers why do you not use Eucon/Avid controlers? Makie control was always second best IMHO and never really a contender when Eucon was light years ahead from the get go.
Eucon has always worked faultlessly here for many many years I still have my ageing Euphonix Artist mix consoles here that must be nearl 20 years old now. I’ve lost a pan knob and fader so I’m looking to replace them now but they’ve worked perfectly with Cubase/nuendo for 20 years.
Combine that with a Stream Deck Xl for all your custom key commands/macros and you’ve got a powerful hardware setup.
There’s also a basic script so you can use them with Reaper fro volume/pan etc .
Just thinking out loud here.
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Thanks @Norbury_Brook
Appreciate the suggestions.
Why? Ergonomics. I have tried the streamdeck route, large touchscreens and a bunch of stuff in between
Instead…I have gone with gestural actions on a game keypad and tiered the physical locations. ie old bcf is the fader rider, razer keypad is control centre and spend most of the time resting there, small icon pad for fine tweaking eg ifx etc, old kore does the studio control, monitor switching (there are a couple of ios patched in the studio etc
The BCF is a tiny footprint…and thats why the mackie control bug matters so much…
The larger stuff I tried was just uncomfortable reaching over it all the time and streamdeck doesnt have gesturing so you have to jump in and out of folders to get enough scope…but its also not ergonomic and have to look at what you are pressing versus muscle mem under each finger…more like touch typing. It also through the project, opening closing etc with just a 1 finger.
(excuse the desk, its just a prototype/cutting template atm)
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Hmm
Actually we can blame it on Steinberg.…sorry
After a bit of study…it seems no one could be bothered to do the maths to do the bank/channel moves which I have to stuff around in Bome to do , Of course you cant send a selected channel number out of Mackie Control even though it works for Generic Remote ie retransmit note num (mapped to a mixer channel number)
So then its just Bank Move = Selected Chan number/8 etc
Prob is that you also have to create a dummy map for the max channels you may have which is limited to 128 unless you span across channels etc
Proof of concept was not that hard…
Just plain lazy…
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In case you want a workaround, BMT can do it. If I understand correctly, there is no bank number information, only up or down, that can be sent to your controller?
If this is the case, then you would create 8 Presets in Bome, representing your 8 banks. (just spit balling here, I’m a bit of a Bome nut).
Preset 1 is activated by default and lets call it Vocals.
Now you want to see your Guitar channels. Let’s say they are in Bank 4 (Preset 4). So your Guitar button or KC activates Preset 4, and also sends Bank up 3 times to your control surface 1+3 = 4.
Now you want to get to your Drum tracks in Bank 8 from Bank 4. Your Drum button or KC activates Preset 8 and also sends Bank up 4 times.
I own Nuendo 13 and Pro Tools but somehow I always revert to REAPER for the sake of faster workflow and lights CPU usage and everything is just easier and make sense. So yeah, I feel you sir! @Aurasphere
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Don’t take this the wrong way, but if you’ve spent 36 years on Cubase and you feel strongly about this then you really should look into getting an Avid s1 and a modestly priced tablet. It just seems like completely regardless of whether or not MCU controller X should do Y with Steinberg, if the Eucon gear does it then at some point it just makes far more sense to stop fighting the former battle and just get what works.
Or looking at it differently, what’s worth more at this point in time? Spending hours trying to make this work and then spending hours learning a different DAW to the same degree, or simply swapping the controller.
In terms of dimensions they are essentially about the same. The tablet can sit on the s1 and give you large metering or it can be placed on a tablet stand if you don’t need the meters.
And speaking of which, you get soooo much more functionality just in the interface itself on the s1.
PS: If there is something about the MCU protocol that Eucon doesn’t do that you need then I probably don’t know about it. In that case I get it, and sorry for butting in.
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Thanks but it just doesnt work that way.
Its just a simple matter that the hardware follows the user choice for so many aspects
For instance; I use the scrollwheel and qualifier to zoom through my tracks, opening, closing folders etc in a split second
(click to play)
It just needs to work as expected and take the hardware along with it.
You can actually see the mixer bank selection moving on the LHS beside tracks…that just needs to actually work
Always appreciate your respectful input @MattiasNYC
Sorry why a tablet?
What you are saying makes a lot of sense…although Im just at the end of a 1 year out of work experience (I normally back end BIM stuff and the building in Sydney has ground to a halt)
It is the main issue I have although it still doesnt solve some of the other workflow stuff I would love to do ie grow
BUT
Can I get a 100% confirmation that the S1 absolutely responds to and follows channel selection in the UI?
@odhot
Yeah Ive only been on reaper about an hour and its pretty klunky to get around but talk about speed, the things loads up a project from start to finish in about 10 seconds. The bussing/channels as mentioned…but I posted 20 questions on the forum there and not a lot of yes so far
Cheers
PS You did get me thinking…the Euphonix MC would be great in terms of footprint…but going Eucon…how do you intercept and change the data to get gesturing etc and return back to the unit? Does it let you modify eg double click etc think Morningstar MC8 etc as an example
Actually a screen shot of gesturing capability that any small footprint controller should have(imo)
The tablet extends what you can do and how you can do it. Here’s a video that captures some of what it does:
If you are asking if the s1 will follow track selection when you select a track in Cubase? As long as it functions the way it does in Nuendo, yes. It follows.
When I select a track in my project the left-most fader on the s1 will move to the selected track (if it isn’t already on the surface somewhere) and the next seven faders will mirror the next seven tracks in the project. The only thing that is a bit of a curveball is that it does not recognize that tracks are hidden. So if you select track number 9 in Cubase and tracks 10/11 are hidden the s1 will still show them. In my opinion though Eucon with an s1 and tablet offers so much customization of track management that for me it’s not a big deal.
It might be the case that Eucon is not for you. I view it mainly as a tool for mixing and editing. The protocol gives you access to a ton of functionality in Cubase including key commands and macros and Project Logical Editor functions. But I really don’t think it’s meant for MIDI work per se. You would have to look into that I think. I certainly can’t vouch for it.
For mixing it’s great. Deep diving into MIDI not so sure. Perhaps a hybrid solution could work for you, but maybe not.