It definitely was working differently when I tried it in the blank project.
It was loading them one by one as I said
But in the old project it just loads them exactly like before - very fast and with kontakt loading screen for a splitsecond
I will try and transfer this busy project into the blank one just to see if it works. tomorrow
yes its not in the update history pdf, which leads me to believe they just ignored it once again
PS - just tried importing from a different project into a blank one and its the same old mess.
Nothing was done Iām 100% positive.
Iām going to ask the support why they brushed me off with promises they couldnāt keep
Its so disappointing. They will probably āassureā me that it will be fixed in the next one.
Ah, ok. I remember some discussion at the time as to whether or not they meant the next full release (ie C10) or next point update. Good luck getting a response out of them!
I do hope C10 contains SOMETHING, some improvement in some way or other. Iām willing to change my workflow - if Track Presets got useful with full routings and were reliable, Iād jump all over those instead of Track Archives. In fact Iād prefer them.
Sadly they fixed nothing regarding my reordered 7 stereo outputs either - both in project windows as automation lanes and in mixer.
And there are extra black automation lanes as well, what ever those are. No text in controls, but seem to be able to remove separately.
What is normal automation lanes I have red color on instrument tracks, so they differ.
What is different now is that I donāt get error message boxes talking about missing tracks or similar.
Itās now three years in december I made my report on this, which just vanished in Steinbergās ticket system - no sign of it.
I saved main instrument track(23) and a group track(31) and itās a mess when loaded from archive alter.
This was SuperiorDrummer2.x
I have other instruments that have multiple outs like BlueCatAudio Patchwork, and it shows as many extra black automation lanes as doubled to normal ones with no text in controls, not functioning normally. You can mark and remove it seems though. But doesnāt feel right to use it project you import into - since this mess might be in there somehow - whatever that is that is making it interpret xml info wrong. If you later have serious issues with a regular huge project - itās not worth it.
Everything saved arhive with 9.5.40 create an extra automation lane from the main instrument name when loaded.
Not the end of the world though, you can mark and remove that one.
My workaround consisted of a template project where those tracks saved in archive are consequtive track no, if that is what makes a differnce.
Looking inside xml of archive, this is impossible for the non programmer to interpret the amount of various data in there.
Maybe we can hope for a 9.5.45 before end of year - fixing some other issues people seems to be having with 9.5.40.
Otherwise 9.5.40 seems ok by me.
Incidentally, I can only presume that only a tiny percentage of Cubase users currently use Track Archives or Multi Out Instrument tracks, or else nobody would talk about anything else on this forum.
Yes, I felt immediately when you started this thread - itās the same issue.
I guess many did not use archives, maybe because there is nothing called āexport tracks as archiveā, just āExport selected tracksā.
There is only āarchiveā for import - and most of us wonder - WTF is that - and ignore it?
The niceness is all the routings that are kept etc.
You can use for multi mike setups ready to go, or multi instruments setups and incredible time saving features - you repeat from time to time.
And all other daws call it track templates - and it just works.
And as you said earlier - track presets could be developed further to fix the routings as well. But the multi track presets is a mess, kind of, how you have to know where you apply them, on the same kind of track, so not fully thought through, I think. Any missing tracks should just be created from the preset. Drag a multi track preset to empty project space - and wooosh and itās all there for you - then all is forgiven.
Iām pretty sure track archive/drag-n-drop tracks is the same thing essentially.
Donāt know about track presets but what a hassle it would be to save all the presets if you could just import or dragndrop the tracks you need from another project.
It doesnāt matter how many people are using it, it should be working properly like in every other DAW.
The most depressing thing is that theyāve aknowledged the issue and promised to fix it and didnāt deliver.
Thanks for the feedback.
Looking forward to hear result.
If Cubase first write tracks to archive xml and then fail to restore them to be the same 5 minutes later - no update in between - seems far fetched to me that preferences are involved. Unless you have plenty other issues like stability or something. But for me 9.5 is a rock, no sign to even wobble.
But discovered even more issues with track archive saving with 9.5.40 that were unusable as to restore.
I got an extra automation lane, that appeared like another outs in project window - and I could not remove it.
And better option was to restore just the instrument track from project I do as a template - then the extra becomes something gray odd thing, that at least can be removed.
Anything saved with 9.5.40 do this kind of thing with old stuff as well. So I keep my old workaround ones.
Ithink 9.5.41 was all about 64-bit audio engine issues that were severe - understandable since instability stuff.
But so close to C10, I doubt we see another patch for 9.5 until Q1 2019 or so.
Then we are past the three years since I reported - and Steinberg just lost track of in their system.
I have the confirmation email - but Steinberg show no interest to see what happend to that ticket.
If you canāt trust the track archives - they are useless.
Can you believe - Cubase does not have a usable track template system.
Things that work as a charm in Sonar and Reaper - and better implemented as well.
Beside the normal Add Track - you have the saved Track templates accessible right there.
Cubase is menu-hiking, kind of.
Definitely feel your pain, Larioso. Hoping against hope that C10 fixes this, or offers another more robust solution than any of the current ones. Its rather making a mockery of the āproā name at the moment.
I honestly think they will not do anyting about it until we apply enough pressure onto the support
It seems like the feature is not used by many people, thats why they are outright ignoring it and making false promises just to calm us down indefinitely.
the v10 comes out with new useless bells and whistles and broken core features as its been since v7
I think maybe making a youtube video would be more impactful than our screenshots?
Maybe due to that itās not obvious what it does - just looking in menus.
I got a tip running Elements, that Pro has this track archive thing that can be used as track template - so I figure one reason more to upgrade.
But without looking in manual - I could not find it.
There is Import from track archive - but there is no export to track archive.
But using the Export Selected Tracks - it create a track archive - who knew?
When you are new to a product - this matters a lot - that naming conventions are logical and consistent.
Itās not all easy in ProTools either - session data export/import - but it is named consistently. Import/export of the same thing.
Cubase has improved naming over the last years a lot - menu Studio Setup and AudioConnections and things had weird namings before. So many things called āVSTā-something that just confused you, thinking of plugins. Now Channels settings dialog was called something VST before as I recall - now VST is gone in name. Channel Routings or something might be more descriptive, but then there is legacy.
Track template is such a massive time saver, for various setups of tracks you use in every project almost - if track archive works and can be trusted.
And it keep routings and stuff that not other alternatives do - not track presets nor import from project.
Import of setup of multitimbre sampler is at least 10 minutes saved, multi miking setups 5+ minutes each time.
Kudos to who got a CAN number on this topic anyway, big step forward.
And there is much more of surveys going around these days from Steinberg - so they are improving on many things I think.
And the immediate 9.5.41 patch also shows concern.
Well C10 should be out in about 3 weeks, so Iām keen to wait to see what transpires there first. Iām very pragmatic about this - ultimately I just want a workflow that works and is robust. If they were, for example, to enhance Track Presets so they included routing info, sends etc Iād consider that a better solution than Track Archives, and Iād suddenly care a whole lot less about those bugs. Disabled tracks dittoā¦ though devil is always in the details. Its got to be rugged, reliable and quick to use.
so the support insists I install 9.5.41 for some reason, even though thereās no mention of the 13042 being resolved
Iāll do that because trashing the preferences did nothing.
Lets see where it leads us
Would be as good, track presets are really flawed as they are implemented now - you need the tracks there to start with - and all must be the same kind as when you save a preset. I donāt know why they bothered to implement something like this.
If you could just drop a track preset, for multiple tracks, on empty canvas - and all tracks and routing were created for you - would be terrific.
As I recall, StudioOne worked like that just dropping a preset from an instrument, listed below instrument itself - onto empty spot - it is created both track and inserted instrument for you. Donāt think it was multitrack though. On the other hand - StudioOne has proper track templates to start with - from v3 I believe.
I looked when I purchased 9.5 last year, and it was nov 15th - so might be closer than we think.
Iām not sure I follow you there, Lariosso. As it works I can save any number of audio / midi / instrument tracks as a Track Preset, and they are recalled with any associated instruments, inset effects etc. Itās already close to what we need, all thatās additionally required as far as I can see is the ability to additionally recall sends, routings, quick controls, colours and folder tracks ideally. Thereās a couple of threads already open about this with quite a lot of support.
It would be nice to have a little more finesse, such as the ability to search by plugin (eg Kontakt 5) and just show user presets so you donāt need the 5 star bodge to eliminate all the useless factory presets.
