Can you change the order of chord fingerings? Harp fingering

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I’m writing for harp. Something I’ve noticed is that whenever I try to input fingering for a chord it always ends up the wrong way up. On harp, thumbs are always on top, so a triad for is us

1
2
3

instead of piano triad

5
3
1

Other than engrave mode and moving every note affected, is there a way to change this?

I’ve been through the two fingering videos, and my hunch is that harp fingering is set to auto-order the same way piano does.

Thanks in advance!

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Welcome to the Forum @steph.west.harp
This has been requested before. We can hope that in a future version of Dorico there would be an option to ignore/overwrite the piano-fingering-auto-order.
See this thread Fingering Orders, in post #2 @Romanos explains how to enter fingerings one by one, that imho is a better (more stable) option as to move them in Engrave mode.

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Agree with Rafael and I often use it for Cello and sometimes also for Piano, even if normally for piano the order is correct.

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I think it would be a good idea to make RH fingerings for Harp always follow this pattern. I wonder whether it’s possible to include such a difference in the instrument definition.

(By what mechanism do piano fingerings go properly opposite for LH and RH?)

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Try this:

Taking this chord as an example, for which we want to add the fingering 1 2 5 (but stacked vertically with the 1 on top):

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If you select the chord, press shift-F and type 1,2,5 followed by Enter

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you will get this:

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However, if you select the chord, press shift-F and type L1,2,5 followed by Enter

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you will get this:
(although when I was experimenting, sometimes the 1 would be above and the other numbers below)
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Select the chord.
In Properties > Fingering and Positions, click on Staff-relative position: Above

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you will get this:

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If at any time you have trouble deleting the fingering(s) from the chord, use Properties > Fingering and Positions and de-activate the button for Finger or position(s).

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A shorter way of doing all the above would be to do Properties > Fingering and Positions, click on Staff-relative position: Above before entering the fingering. It should then appear correctly above the chord.

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Hi everyone, thanks so much for options to try out.

@rafaelv Thanks for linking the pre-existing thread (I did search, but clearly wasn’t that effective). Great to know it’s in the backlog already.
@Mark_Johnson Yep I’m curious too!

@StevenJones01 Thanks so much for detailed instructions, I will definitely try that out. That’s a really strategic method that’s basically doing what I want all the time - harp fingering is two left hands.

Btw one of the reasons I like being a harpist is that my hands get to be symmetrical, pitch shapes are the same both hands. :raised_hands:

Will report back on both methods!