Chord symbol alterations - size of

Is there an option to have the numbers and accidentals used in chord symbol alterations (that is, anything beyond seventh chords) appear as regular-sized, baseline items? I’m unable to find one within Engraving Options/Chord symbols.

Upon printout, for example, the " #5 " within this chord symbol is almost illegible:

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Because it’s so small, I would rather see this chord symbol notated as “Bb7#5” – that is, with the “#5” alteration showing as the same size as the “7” that precedes it.

Along the same lines, where might one find the place to change the default size of a project’s chord symbols – if that’s in fact possible?

Thanks!

All these settings can be found under Engraving Options/Chord Symbols. One thing to realize is that Dorico uses a smaller sharp glyph for settings of 75% and under, and another larger one for 76% and over. Personally I find the larger one more legible so you may want to set your Options to 76% or higher to trigger the larger glyph. That’s the smaller <76% one in the image you posted:

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Thank-you, FredGunn!! There’s no way I would have found this on my own!
I really appreciate your help!

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Hi, I kinda have the same problem. I want all the alterations in general to be bigger. So the 6/9 symbols but also #11 alterations etc. I couldn’t find a ‘alteration scale’ setting or something in the engraving options. Anyone have a clue as to what can help? Thanks a lot :wink:

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Welcome to the forum, @TeunsTunes. Take a look at the Design section of the Chord Symbols page of Engraving Options.

Sorry for the late response, but thanks!

I thought find for equivalent thing for 6/9 chord too small for my tsate:
chord69

in the same place :: Design section of the Chord Symbols page of Engraving Options…? but don’t find scale for 6/9?
I only found the worharound to create chords in Library ->chord symbol but hope for a better solution
Best regards

The 6/9 is certainly too small IMO too. I also don’t care for the slash. (It’s not a fraction or a “slash chord”) I have my own chord library set up like this:

You can pretty easily make a global change to the 69 definition though.

  1. Go to Engraving Options / Chords / Project Default Appearances / Edit

  2. Enter any 69 chord and hit +. The root doesn’t matter, you just need something there so you can edit the suffix.

  3. Click the 69, then make sure it is selected in blue underneath in the row of available suffixes, and hit the Edit Component pencil

  4. You are now in the Edit Chord Symbol Component window where you can make a global change to the 69 suffix, so make any changes you want now. If you want your changes to be global, make sure you make all edits in this window and not the previous one which will only be specific to that particular root. One warning though - unfortunately this window is quite buggy and not WYSIWYG so it will likely take a bit of trial and error to figure out the settings you need to get the correct result. For example, to get the correct spacing shown above, I needed to space the glyphs like this in the Edit Chord Symbol Component window:

  5. Hit OK to go back to the Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances window. If it looks ok, great, if not hit the Edit Component pencil again and try some other settings. Remember not to make edits in the Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances window if you want your edits to be global.

  6. After the 69 positioning looks correct, you can even delete the specific root from Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances. All you needed was a way to edit the suffix.

You can of course add all roots and click the Save as Default button to have these settings saved in your userlibrary.xml file. If you’re up for some more advanced hackery, you can save these specific settings in a doricolib file too, so it will affect all new files created from File/New and you won’t have specific chord overrides. (Among other things, you can’t add parentheses to chords with overrides, so I find the doricolib way is preferrable if possible.)

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@FredGUnn
Thanks
It was what I did as wordaround
But how to delete the specifi root?

to After the 69 positioning looks correct, you can even delete the specific root from Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances.
Some other reports:

  • all change of proposed buttons to change like / ou - of 69 are global so we can’t have a different Y or X offset
  • the minus of minor chord (C-7) by default also have the same taste for me: advertising to buy glasses
    And now when I want to change the size of the chord font: Library → font Styles → and choose Chord Symbols Font: Dorico crash and quit

chord_size

Let’s forget it’s not my day

In Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances, select that chord and hit the trash can.

Sorry, I’m not following you here. You can make global changes to many suffixes (not all unfortunately) in the Edit Chord Symbol Component window, including X and Y offsets. You can make changes to individual roots and suffixes in Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances.

Yeah, this is poorly sized by default too. Same editing principle applies to make a global change.

Thank you for your support
Y offset example: for me it’s global :
Y offset

You’re in the Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances window. That’s where I specifically said don’t make any edits as they won’t be global. Select the 6/9, then hit the little pencil underneath. Now any edit in the next window will be global. I can delete the symbol with the trash can and rebuild it however I want. Here is a dumb example where I changed it to something ridiculous, but I can globally change it once, and it will change everywhere in the score. You can redefine it to be whatever you want.

This is not really intuitive though, and you’re certainly not alone in being frustrated by it. It would be nice if Dorico had a much more straightforward global chord suffix editor, but this is the way we have to do it for now.

Thanks again.I will try tomorrow
My project crash now every time I want to change the font size of the chord: Library ->Font style and choose "chords Symbols Font as in my first gif in previous post: Grr!!..

If you do decide to rebuild your 69, make sure you add each number separately so they are independently adjustable, instead of as a unit. Also, Dorico will default any text to the “Bar Repeat Count” Font Style. This is a particularly dumb thing to default to as no one will ever want that, and when you later try to adjust the Chord Symbols Font, nothing will change with any suffix you created using the Bar Repeat Count Font Style. Make sure you select Chord Symbols Font from the dropdown before adding any text.

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If you are having problems with your project crashing, please upload it here or send it to me by email, and I should be able to help. I suspect you may have inadvertently set up a dependency loop in the font styles in your project.

I am a newbie. I can’t seem to find Engraving Options. I see Chord Symbols but it doesn’t look like the the screenshot above

If you are using D5 Pro, it’s under Library, but it’s obviously very useful to memorize the shortcuts for all the various Options windows.

If you only have a Chord Symbols menu item in Library, it sounds like you’re running Dorico Elements rather than Dorico Pro. Engraving Options is only included in Dorico Pro.