Cubase 11.5 come out, come out, wherever you are😉

[misnoma]

“Is it confirmed anywhere”" was politely inviting you to link to a reliable source.

eg. IK Multimedia said, back in July, " MODO DRUM 1.1.2 runs natively on Apple M1 processors" … IK Multimedia. Musicians First

I will wait with an open mind for future developments.

[misnoma]

Seems to me that Cubasis (the iPad app) could run natively on M1 right now? so that’s a start.

[luke7020]

What are Bigwig now doing that’s tempting you?

[Trensharo]

@luke7020

I have to disagree with most of this.

Your choice.

The performance gains even via Rosetta are hugely significant. To say anything different is to spread false information.

There are already AMD and Intel CPUs that outperform M1, natively, so I’m not sure how you can say that emulating a DAW under Rosetta - and all of the plug-ins its running - can be a huge performance gain over just installing that stuff on a better performing CPU running Windows 10/11…

Particularly for people doing video production, the Ryzen [Laptop] APUs were already better…

Make it make sense, please.

To say users will have to spend thousands for M1 compatibility again is based on what information?

Based on the cost to upgrade these plug-ins, samplers, etc. juxtaposed against the very realistic expectation that many will not see a Native M1 release until a new version is released.

Additionally, my statement was…

@Trensharo

I reckon a lot of people will have to shell out hundreds (if not thousands) to replace bread and butter plug-ins that are x64, but require paid updates to add M1 Native compatibility, in the future.

That sounds a bit different than the way you “quote” me… It’s not like it was that hard to check this, either.

If you have to upgrade Kontakt, alone, for M1 Native capability… that alone will prove my statement… and I think it will be a lot more than that.

There are already a number of companies that are fully M1 compliant or have betas out already like BBC symphonic orchestra, fab filter etc with no additional costs.

That doesn’t matter. It only takes ONE plug-in to jut you down to Rosetta 2. Additionally, many people do NOT use BBCSO, or FabFilter, etc. They aren’t going to spend HUNDREDS (if not thousands) buying M1 Native plug-ins just to say “I’m M1 Native…” That’s unreasonable.

You’re just assuming everyone in the market uses the same combination of plug-ins and virtual instruments, or at least enough to make your statement “generally true,” and I do not believe that will be the case.

And regardless, Cubase stock plugins are top spec and I for one am more than happy to do without several third party plugins that cubase provides just as good.

I’m going to have to disagree there, and if that was the case, no one would care.

All of the synths I need are compliant.

Great for you!

Obviously your mileage will vary depending on what vsts you use

Agree… But!

but to say that users will be out of pocket to tve tune of 1000s and that there’s no point cubase running M1 native makes no sense.

I have two issues with this:

1. No one said the first part. I quoted myself above. You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’ve stated simply to fail to make a point…
2. No one said this was a reason for Cubase NOT to go M1 Native. I stated this is a reason for people not to care as much as they seem to about whether or not the DAW is M1 Native or Rosetta 2-compatible at this juncture. Until Plug-In and Virtual Instrument Developers catch up to this, most of these people crying to M1 Native will be relegated to running the DAW under Rosetta 2 - de facto - by the Virtual Instruments and Plug-ins that they need to use within it.

And regarding future intel chips. Yes lake is providing slightly faster speeds.

Actually, the speeds are not slightly faster. They’re a bit more than that.

However at HUGE power consumptive overheads.

No one cares about this when they’re running a desktop. Most people will have AIO Coolers and next to silent fans in the chassis. For music production, the CPU is not going to be frying anything.
Unless Cubase has the processing requirements of an eSports game…

Also, 12th Gen Intel is BIG.little

Perfect for frying eggs on the hot chassis.

/eyeroll

Plus it’s a desktop chip. Not a mobile chip.

I’ve already given an example of a mobile machine that performs as well as an M1 MBP - which I actually owned for a time. So, I know, for a fact that it does.

People are comparing a desktop to a mobile.

If by people you mean ‘I’, sure.

And the new Mac desktops are due out next year. Wait till Amd and intel get a load of those…

AMD and Intel will be prepping new CPU releases next year. I don’t expect them to be any worse than Ryzen 5000 or 12th Gen Intel.

[Trensharo]

M1 is basically a beefed up Apple A-series SoC, so yea, that runs natively on M1.

That’s like software coded for an i3 running on an i7. It’s the same architecture, just a more powerful part.

Person upthread said MODO BASS, not MODO Drum. IK Multimedia is extremely slow in terms of actual product maintenance, so older products tend to get less attention as they prefer to invest in content, instead.

SampleTank, MODO Bass, T-RackS, etc. are not M1 Native… yet.

IK is pleased to announce that version 1.1.2 of MODO DRUM is here, bringing native compatibility with Apple M1 processors to IK’s physical modeling drum virtual instrument. As a result, everything in Total Studio 3 MAX is now M1 compatible!

MODO Drum is M1 Native, but everything in TS3M is M1 Compatible. So unless you use ONLY MODO DRUM, you need to run any DAW (except Bitwig Studio) under Rosetta 2 to use this stuff.

Again, I have nothing against the M1 [Pro] CPUs. I think the Notebooks were attractive for the battery life alone. But I didn’t see a point in keeping the M1 MBP because 75% of my software would require me to run them under Rosetta, multiple titles required paid upgrades to be compatible, and I’d still be running any DAW (Cubase, Studio One) under Rosetta independent of their M1’ness due to plug-in compatibility.

I got the M1 MBP like 3 weeks after they went on sale, so that’s how long I’d still be waiting for developers to get it together and move things onto M1 Nativeness.

Maybe 20% of the plug-ins/virtual instruments I use have moved over. Studio One, IIRC, is recently M1 Native. But that’s about it. I’d still be running under Rosetta.

And no, running Studio One under Rosetta on an M1 MBP is not faster than running it on my AMD Ryzen 9 Laptop natively on Windows 10/11.

Others are free to believe that marketing, though. That’s their prerogative.

Lastly…

The fact that you have to run a DAW under Rosetta 2 if you use x64 Plug-ins is confirmed everywhere and is common knowledge for anyone who reads up on these matters. I am not the internet’s secretary. If you want to check my information, seek our the sources yourself.

But it’s a fact, and I’d rather you not waste the time… That wouldn’t be optimal.

Telling me that IK Multimedia has 1 M1 Native virtual instrument is not even addressing the point that I made.

[luke7020]

There are too many things you’ve stated that aren’t strictly correct, and arguments over semantics, which I could not be bothered to counter. I mean think what you like. Disagree with my points. It’s all good. I am having an absolute blast with my M1 cubase set up more than I’ve had with any previous Mac or PC

[Trensharo]

I’ve tried both and they are indistinguishable to me in terms of usability.

I’m glad you’re having a blast, though.

I didn’t see value in paying $750 more for the machine, then $200+ to upgrade assorted software (for macOS Big Sur compatibility, etc.) while still being saddled with the performance penalty of Rosetta 2 on top of a distinct lack of upgradability.

It’s not semantics when you literally quote me as saying one thing when I clearly meant another. It’s a blatant mistruth intended to make what I wrote previously sound like an exaggeration.

[luke7020]

How can it be a mistruth when you actually stated ‘if not thousands’. How am I misquoting your point. If you don’t mean ‘possibly thousands’ then don’t say it. I quoted what you said. If you only meant ‘hundreds more’ then say just that. You didn’t. You said ‘and possibly 1000s’. So therefore you meant ‘possibly 1000s’. Noone’s exaggerating anything. I won’t be replying to any more of your comments as it’s become somewhat nonsensical.

[benthered1]

I was thinking about buying Reaktor at discount price NI offered me, but then I tried the Bitwig non-expiring demo first.
It’s very fluid, the way you can chain modifiers together, and it has native LFO that you can assign to anything at first look. The new update has a range of midi effects that look interesting.
It is missing chord and scale assistant though, which I use all the time. Most importantly though, I had FUN using it.

[luke7020]

That sounds interesting. And yes it’s all about how you feel using the software. If it’s fun then the developers are doing something right. I’m heavily invested in cubase now having learned it inside out top to bottom that it’s difficult to move elsewhere. Now with the new M1s though, cubase feels like a whole new daw again. It’s a lot of fun to use now that everything is so snappy and smooth.

[SBC11]

Guys Only four more days…
And as I understand everyone here is on the right track the M1 support is Steinbergs giant problem if they get this little mini thing out of the world we have it … how could I miss that….but the perfection comes on Friday I’m so excited and I just can’t hide it
I’m about to lose control and I think I like it

[luke7020]

Uh oh someone’s been sipping on the crazy juice again

[mozizo]

well seems everybody is confused about the release date .
as far as i understand and from Steinberg’s own leak (mistakenly or not ), theres gonna be cubase 12 and not 11.5 and it will be released in 2022, Matthias from Steinberg says in the forums there should be some announcement about it this week, lets wait and see !!

[luke7020]

Interesting. The plot thickens. This is getting more intriguing than an Agatha Christie novel. I don’t know if I can handle all of these emotional twists and turns

[SBC11]

All I say is Friday that will be a nice surprise for all of us……
Matze keeps the tension high so that the corks pop on Friday properly💪

[mozizo]

can it be on Wednesday ? its too much time for nerves and sleepless nights

[mozizo]

@SBC11

e a nic

what the hack ? that’s gets creepy !!!

[luke7020]

So is Friday an 11.5 release, or just an announcement that there is no release this year. If that’s the case why not just tell us now.

[ANAFREE]

No way

[Trensharo]

Because to anyone with a B2 level of English, at least, they understand that to be a range of hundreds to thousands - depending on the cost of the software packages, plugins, etc. involved.

You turned it into a blanket statement of “thousands, simply” to make it sound completely unrealistic in a general sense… An exaggeration, basically.

You know what you were doing. I’m not going to debate it.