Cubase 13 is great, but the look changed for the worse

I hate to do this ~ but, I must say… I recently was installing and opening Pro Tools after not looking at it for a few months and them revamping their UI - and I instantly felt like… wow, this feels so cool, so high tech or something, like really modern, and edgy, but not in the way… metallic faders, and just the way they indicate gain on the fader areas, etc. And how the arrangement window looks with a very Cubase lower region for a midi instrument…

Cubase is really lacking vision of what it is trying to be with it’s UI - at the highest level of the problem, you all have demarcated many of the subsequent issues it seems to me because something by now, at v13, with no many evolutions and amazing things built in that other DAWs simply do not have. I have to plead here to the Cubase Product Management team, I get the effort, but the GUI by now should be so impressive you want to show it off to friends and colleagues, and I don’t mind the flat “MATERIAL” design language (Google) and no shadows or curves, but so many details it feels like someone arbitrarily made some choices and kept doing so and used a lot of time and hours back and forth to refine this UI, but it seems to lack vision of what you were aiming for or to be…

Say what you will and I hate citing these, there is a cohesive style and applied design language that is functional and feels very current w/o just being a Google or Microsoft flat material design approach. Not saying it is better, but it is clear AVID must have a whole UX/design team or one very sharp person doing it all to think through many of the same would be problems being cited here in this post…

Dayz

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im not a protools guy, but i had to have to use it since few years on a studio where i work at along side with cubendo , and it really got revamped for the better over the years, i like the mixer and project UI, and some of the mixer logical functionality that Cubase lacks (move tracks, delete tracks, freeze tracks, color multiplied tracks from the mixer etc… also the combined aux/folder track that fold into mixer is a breeze)
i liked the PT Mixer even better then C12, and C13… well should go significant way to look “Normal” and pleasant to look at and work with

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Looks nice, particularly on a Mac but looks aren’t everything. To me, it’s expensive, requires specific hardware to work properly and has no MIDI functions of note.

What do you mean? Presonus was acquired by Fender. Not Cubase. I don’t follow your statement. Yamaha owns Steinberg. So far no signs of them divesting. I’m curious what you are meaning.

Hi Andro!

Well, I almost edited or deleted that phrase then thought not to.

AS, my next phrase “STEINBERG SOLD type shocker” I hoped would get across being grateful for the existence of such a cool program improving.
Something like that *-)

Thank you, and yep, I’m aware of your comments as facts.

I’ve seen a lot of DEVs just get tired of users not getting what it takes to write software.
Or DEVs getting distracted and even angry at lack of decency and reflection from posters.
I was imagining a situation where we didn’t have CUBASE anymore.
IT HAPPENS - what would we be thinking then. ohh-oh.

Thanks for writing Andro – Hope the above’s clear - there’s a whole lot to read in this thread for sure.




[All the hand-wringing and rude criticism posts]

With exceptions and hopeful wishes for the visually impaired, who, in one case i read above, “inverts the screen colors” ~>
All the hand-wringing and rude criticism posts about, largely, colors, sizes, rounded-corners and gradients, is /are, way over the top.

Maybe it’s my decades of slogging through issues with music software that I appreciate so greatly CUBASE 13, like I expect the 1000’s who are NOT posting in this thread.

LOTS of productive and highly interesting comments in this thread too!

SOLUTIONS - SUGGESTIONS written out and posted here takes time and reflection, for one.
UNLIKE saying “it looks crap” “it’s all a mess” for example.

Bashing STEINBERG is not ok in my books.

Been on the youtube LIVE community while GREG does a 3+ hour one to one?
Get help from Daniel on the forum when the shop was down?

There’s countless examples attesting to SBerg’s greatness. Yeah, GREATNESS!

And the VST LIVE PRO forum is outrageous! updates pretty much EVERY FRIDAY.
The DEVs reply right on the forum DAILY !!! (it’s a new and fresh program of course - CUBASE is redoing their code bit by bit, though the backwards compatible bit slows all some)

maybe ~> TELL US YOUR MONITOR/SCREEN SIZE AND RESOLUTION ??
EXAMPLE: 50" TV and 3840x2160

best wishes to all - truly.

P.S. just chuckling at my own tirade decades ago ~> when a CMS, a Content Management System’s name got changed, back in the 90’s – and I, along with many others were incensed about the name change for weeks! GOTTA LAUGH. Humans!

OOOhhh those FADER CAPS aarrrggghhhhhhhh

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Pro Tools, even in its darkest of dark mode settings, seems to be easier on my eyes than Cubase has been for the past while. 13 is just another step up in visual strain for me. I’m not diagnosed with any major impairments aside from minor astigmatism either, so I can only imagine how this could be for others.

I’ve just been hoping for more color theme options since I want to say Cubase 8. I still need to spend some more time fiddling with 13. Hopefully I’ll find the right combination to work better for me. Might try to match more of the colors to Pro Tools screenshots.

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Could you please lighten up just a bit? Out of all the posts of this thread, which says “Cubase 13 is great” in the title by the way - first thing! - which posts said “it looks crap”?

I see posts with examples, with sober descriptions, as to why we don’t like the new looks. The looks. Contrary to your faith, most of us participating in this thread are not complainers, hand-wringers ( :roll_eyes:) and all-purpose saboteurs of Steinberg.

It’s also somewhat ironic that you mix full caps, bold, weird formatting in your responses, which are personal, and to each post made, to persuade people that the new look is perfect.

I’m happy that you found the Cubase GUI of your dreams in 13, I really am. Just practice some self-restraint for a bit, and let those other people that haven’t found their perfect GUI in 13 offer actual examples and screenshots of what needs improving, in their opinion. In their opinion. In. Their. Opinion.

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The UI is always a matter of taste, but overall I agree. It all looks very Studio One now, which I also had on my computer for several years up to V5, but was never able to use because of the Mixer and Track UI, which I found quite unbearable. And you never know. Studio One is ex Steinberg Architects and Developers. Maybe they will be merged back soon :joy:

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ggmanestraki
OK, I’m out.
Said what i needed to anyways.
my typed words aren’t enough for me either.
When discussions get contentious, inaccuracies, however small, can have posts go ‘pouncing’ off the rails pretty quick as we all know.

Therefore, your post to me was helpful - really.
Time and all.

[if you wish]
maybe read all the posts well (?), mine included.
EXAMPLE: as i noted, there’s tons of great helpful info here, and tons of the opposite.

The original posters SUBJECT which started with CUBASE 13 is great… has gotten us to over 100 posts - some kinda frustrating due to such little effort.
I figured to try to contrast that, though sure, i digressed tons eventually.

I’d also detailed just a bit how i’ve seen unintended consequences happen when unfairly bashing software companies – DEVs are usually great people.

OH, of COURSE the look is not perfect! Better on 4K though, and that top menu bar gone. WOW.
Good remind for me that ‘going long’ in posts has downsides, for my nature anyways.

[to your quote point]
Yes, perhaps i wasn’t quoting both examples exactly, though easily close enough i figure.
I thought I recalled a ~> “looks like crap”
SEARCH: “awful” (plenty of similar others to find as well)

  • yeah, i was a bit slack confirming exactness i realize.
    yet ‘crap’ and ‘awful’ are pretty close.
    As in, Not “UNLIKE”-)

all is good.

UPSHOT - yeah, i was getting increasingly creative with my posts! heh-heh Thanks again. So long!

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It’s all good. Enjoy 13!

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No - its not all good. There really should be a possibility to adjust the brightness of the buttons and the text in the track window. I removed all the buttons cause its no fun to work with. Change to dark mode in windows helps a bit - but …
There should be a possibility to change buttons to the dark mode like in c12

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I’m getting used to 13.
The sceen shots look a bit worse than when actually using it for some reason. Maybe because all your attention isn’t focused on just the looks, but more the sound, and what you’re actually doing.

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Not why I mentioned it… But, those things simply aren’t true.

  • $599 perpetual so about the same as Cubase
  • Hardware requires nothing from Avid, it flies with any usb or thunderbolt 3rd party interface, asio
  • midi has a huge massive chapter of docs, come a long way, feature wise to be of parity for the 80% of what you need, audio to midi, etc.
  • not as savvy for full on composing mode tho, agreed

Cubase is the answer! My point is Avid is investing more into UX and not simply randomly dumping whole features like for example BEAT CALCULATOR! Arbitrarily it seems. Design is look and feel, but function, but more importantly designing for user needs and wants. That is why I referenced PT.

Modern design philosophy is never 1 step fwd, 2 steps back. You simply can’t error when you consult with your user base.

I have no idea who is in the beta testers group for Cubase. Or this is all unlucky number 13…

And I dont know, maybe this is all about normal, for every Cubase major release?

Dayz

ps - on topic here too, to OP’s 2nd half of subject…

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What I cant grasp is in Prefs you can change just about every color of all the backgrounds, and some items like outline of what is active. But, why not give users presets of great combinations of colors that work, are tested for sight impaired, or older user base and demos, that would maintain contrast for text, or allow like, dim and subtle color combo presets.

Does anyone have color combos that look better? Obviously, texts will still be full on white etc. But…

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Yeah, the “nothing but white” default text is a mistake design wise because there’s just too much information vying for your attention at once. The greyed out sections in v12 were a lot more practical visually.
Ultimately, you have to remember where things are located in the GUI. But looking at the screen for a long time with such a major contrast between the white text against the black bkgd can be fatiguing. Graphic designers should know this.

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steinberg really need New UI Design Team or make the hole program like what they do with plugins (vocal comp , Black valve , Vocal chain and other )

now what the plan i really want to know they will fix it with maintenance update or we will wait agan 1 year to 14th?

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BOLD white text needs to be tamed.
Also, the 3D effect on buttons gives the program a little more of an elegant look. Many DAWs flocked to that flat look in following the Ableton lead years ago. Since then, many have reverted, at least in part. It just looks better.

Graphic design is an art form. Let’s keep the art part intact.

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I know I’m beating a dead horse, but to me the ugliest part of the new GUI is the track headers. And there was something off about it that I couldn’t put my finger on, and today I finally realized what it was, and it speaks a lot about the sloppiness that went into designing some of the new GUI.

Because of the small size of this particular lack of detail, many people won’t even see it, and perhaps because I’m a visual creative these kind of details are more evident to me, but there are details that everybody can tell, even if they’re not experts in Photoshop, After Effects and so on.

I took a screenshot of the header and opened it in Affinity Photo (which is what I have in my personal Mac because I don’t like paying Adobe a lot of money every month), zoomed in the screenshot, and put a few guides, then did the math:

Of course this is not the most scientific test, but it’s more than evident that the M is not centered inside the button and is off by 2 pixels, which doesn’t seem like much, but somehow the human eye is really good at detecting those details, and I’m a guy in my fifties, my eyesight is far from perfect.

But that one is really evident once you saw it a few times, and it surprised me that to me letters are not centered vertically, but it seemed to me that it was more than just one pixel off. But that’s what it is.

And this tells you that whoever designed this GUI is not much into detail, because this is supposed to be designed in a large canvas and then resized to the size needed for the GUI. So how can you miss something as obvious as this? And I’m just talking about the M being off to the left, not even the vertical thing, which I probably wouldn’t have bothered me if the M was centered. It’s the same as the S, which there may be a tiny difference between the left and right sides, but to me it’s not obvious.

Call me a snob if you want, but the C12 GUI to me was polished in most places. What it needed was more polish, not redesign. Taking out the good old Cubase font, which as far as I can tell it’s an original, or not even a font, somebody designed a series of glyphs to use as part of the interface, and those were really good looking and gave the Cubase GUI a distinctive look.

Some people here said it’s a matter of functionality, that many programs go through a GUI overhaul and there’s always going to be haters and “refuseniks” (this one I had to look up because I had no clue what it was), and to a certain extent I agree, but I also think that when you spend all day long working with a specific software, you have to like the GUI.

I know that many people love Ableton Live, but when I look at that GUI it’s like looking at something from the 80’s, and not in a classic vintage sort of way, but an awful GUI with ugly text and no regards for style.

If anybody here has the Eastwest Opus Hollywood Orchestra, and also has or has seen the Best Service “Engine” GUIs, that’s a good showcase of the best and the absolute worst of GUIs. For those who don’t know them, here they are:

As you can see, the Opus Hollywood Orchestra GUI is a work of art. Beautiful, well thought out design, with a GUI that can be scaled up or down depending on your needs.

Now, let’s take a look at the worst GUI I’ve seen in my life, a total trainwreck that would have been horrendous even in 1991, the Best Service Engine. Yes, the company has a name that makes you think they offer cleaning services or something like that. And they are so devoid of creativity that they named their engine “Engine”. Like making a horror movie and naming it “Horror Movie”.

So here’s the monstrosity:

Among other things, libraries have to be installed completely manually, like those few Kontakt libraries that install the files and you have to browse to them inside Kontakt.

But that’s small potatoes. The thing is so old and outdated that doesn’t even have a VST 3 plugin. If you have an Apple Silicon machine, you have to run Cubase in Rosetta mode to be able to load it.

Equally terrible is the fact that that horrible GUI with text you can barely read is not scalable, so you will end up with a headache after using it for a while.

Lucky for me, they gave me back my money for the library I had bought, because it was a decent library but the engine it ran on is garbage.

Of course I’m not saying that the new Cubase 13 GUI is a trainwreck, far from it, but after getting used to work with a really original and unique GUI for several months, this one seems like a huge step back.

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is it possible somehow in Cubase, or in windows to change the fonts ?
font type, size, color . in cubase i didn’t find anything, in windows it wont affects cubase fonts .
maybe some known hack on cubase or windows ?
they really should add text options in preferences, for various areas, my issue is mainly the fonts on menus , on preference window(which is still the old design) etc…

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