Fail at keeping up, not at fleecing their customers.
Buy update when on offer. DON’T update. Wait for NEXT version tba. UPDATE via Grace Period & SKIP paying for a version.
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That’s one of the standout features this time, right?
By the way, what was the main reason you upgraded—how did you plan to use that feature?
i’m changing from 12 to 15. And i’m happy to see it’s still cubase as i used to have, but this new version for me feels much more modern and improved in terms of workflow. It’s possible that some of the things are from v13 or 14, but for me it makes sence to update now and get a (much) better working DAW.
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I’m gonna agree with that statement when ProTools implements proper multi-monitor support and keyboard layouts that are not locked to your keyboard layout.
Yeah because music itself has advanced so much, its no longer the same old crap recycled over and over for 100 years..
What exactly do you think is going to come from some magic update? Some new form of expression or what? If DAWs by this point don’t have the ‘tools’ you need to simply make music, either pick a new DAW or pick a new field to play in cause audio isnt for you. Anything not already included in the box comes from your ability and talent, get off the crutches and learn to be creative.
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This version is pretty strong but Steinberg is being modest with the updates. Have y’all noticed how much they improved the UI and user experience?
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UI and user experience does not have their own merits, it has to be in the context of the end result.
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We can talk as much as we want, but the sense of the thread remains. It is really clear that once upon a time, such an update would have been a x.5.
As an advanced/professional user I feel mocked up. Evidently Steinberg believes that the level of his users is decreased, not only about the needs, but also about how much it can push to charge for a major update that we all know to be very very modest.
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I’ve already upgraded, and I enjoy the improvements. All the same, I do agree with the sentiment that it’s a bit thin for a whole point upgrade. I trust there will be a lot of subsequent improvements before we hit 16. No interest at all in free beta testing the singing app - I use Synthesiser V Pro 1/2 which is WAY ahead. I also own full Spectralayers and RX10, so little value there for me…
I have been a Cubase user since Pro 24/Cubit-rapidly-renamed(!), and there’s now a ridiculous amount - many many many person years - of functionality for the money: it’s only the competition keeping the prices down I suppose. Cheers.
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I think we need to qualify ‘expensive’ here…
I have Nuendo V1 and it’s corresponding surround edition sat on my shelf here in the Studio from 2001…. 25 years ago….. they cost £999.00 EACH….. yes each … so nearly £2000.
So taking inflation into account that today is the equivlent of…..
£4,429.40
And people are moaning about £100…….
It’s tax deductable too if it’s your profession .
You’ve never had it so good…….. seriously…….
go make music.
M
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Indeed Norbury.
Back in 2000 my Cubase 3.7 Producer Pack was £700, and came with Wavelab 4, and two plugins - Waves Renaissance and a TC Reverb! A Pentium 3 500Mhz tower with 20GB of Raid would set you back a few thousand. An M-Audio Delta 66 was £450!
Extra plugins like Magneto and Orange Vocoder were £250 each, and people often spent thousands on plugin collections. The price of Waves stuff was scandalous.
The new LM4 mk1 drum machine was £99 though, and had good samples, but by then I was in for £7000, to give a maximum of 14 glorious stereo tracks of 24/48!
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Yep. I bought Cubase SX3 in 2006 for $900. As far as I know, there was no download option for it either. Had to drive to get it. Don’t even get me started on hard drive costs for 80-100 GB of storage. Times have changed
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Demoing 15 now and compared to the 14 update this 14.5 feels better, definite improvement on graphics.
But a better user experience? 
Let’s call it a push
I said this a few versions back, They began changing the menus and right clicks for no reason. When they did I pointed out how it seems they were changing the menus to accommodate new users who first try out Cubase might seem lost by a different menu system and finding things. Every version after they kept doubling down and changing the menu and I was convinced this was why..
They finally (kinda) admitted it this year by mentioning how they were accommodating certain aspects to match Mac workflow. - IMO it wasn’t just mac.
So, After all these updates in doing this, IMO it has made this part of the “user experience” WORSE for some over past updates/ years. Not for the new users, for the ones who have been using Cubase for over a decade it has become clickity click click clickity click clik to get to where we need to go. What used to be a right click or at the menu is now buried under menu dropdowns and for a while it became crazy that they kept moving things.
It was a business decision, I get that part but doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or it was an improvement..at least for that part of the “user experience”. Just seems like they focused on stuff no one asked for and this is what Cubase 14 shoulda been so that’s another part of the “user experience” that’s kinda sucky..
… JM2c oh wait. No more pennies.
- That’s my 5¢📢
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While I’m not twenty any more either, one thing I really can’t follow in these threads without slight amusement are complaints about changes in menus in a software which has grown into something truly multifunctional continously.
Sounds to me like the grandma of an old friend of mine who, in the slang of her childhood area, used to repeat one sentence, with a deep sigh (each time): “Oh well, nothing is as it once has been”.
Seriously, the LAST thing I would expect, or even wish, from a complex evolving DAW, would be to see the menus staying as they were in the 1990s or early 2000s. If anyone here doesn’t get, or doesn’t want to accept, that we better deal with lots of changes which are happening in every area of software (not even talking of life in general), all the time, should perhaps better use no software at all, or find peace in some Commodore 64 or Atari ST emulator. Windows 11 suddenly has a changed start menu, iOS does nowhere look like on my iphone 6 back then any longer, Affinity photo menu structure has significantly changed, Davinci Resolve 20 has new menu entries and changes, etc. etc. - it’s truly shocking.
But with all understanding for workflow habits: it isn’t even a significant practical muscle memory problem in Cubase, since we can have our own set of keyboard shortcuts anytime.
Bottom line: I don’t want to attack anyone loving their firm habits. But after having read too much of this stuff in too many threads over time, I also can’t resist expressing my smiling dissent towards this whole kind of perspective on life, because I WANT Steinberg to evolve and change Cubase, no matter if every single design decision would have been my first choice or not. I like to roll with the changes while´making good use of all the very useful new functionality.
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All well put, but it’s the perception that some of the changes made to the software are completely random, or at least unnecessary and not in the best interest of most users, that I think causes the most frustration.
Random changes to software not exactly being the same as “evolution”.
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It can never be ruled out that single decisions may have had more or less arbitrary reasons, and for some I may agree to the notion.
But in these forums, the degree to which changes are just called “random” for the pure reason of disliking the change, often looks just as arbitrary and mainly insinuating. Just because some have problems adopting to a change, this does not prove the change was “random” by itself, and what looks random to some, may have been done for a reason and make sense to others in many (not all) cases.
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from 12 to 15 is a great improvement, from 14 pro to 15 pro not so much, but i love the ultra shaper. for me personally they dont need to do an update every year when its like this, just make a good update without bugs once in 2 years or so.
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The yearly release might but part of the deal with Yamaha (Just a thought don’t kill me). Deal being Ok to no active subscription model but there must be a yearly release to keep with the competition.
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