Cubase 7 requests

Sometimes, a company’s transition of software goes through rough patches in order to get to where it wants to be.

Keeping things intact or even similar during this transition is sometimes difficult, not worth the time and effort, or perhaps even impossible.

With Apple and other variable operating systems getting some traction in the market, and the major OS needing to make changes in order to remain solid, smaller companies (like Steinberg) has to make sacrifices to keep up with these changes and difference in and between the operating systems.

Ultimately they (Steinberg) will end up with a more componentized and managable core of code that can be spread across the different platforms available, with less interference from the differences. (Personally, I think that VST3 is an example of an excellent choice and a path in the right direction.)

OK with the need for Steiny to adapt their products to OS evolutions, but is the VST 2.x standard basically uncompatible with, say, Windows 7 ? I’m not a specialist, but don’t believe it, as I don’t think that presets management has something to do with any underlying OS process, excepting a basic files read/write functionality.

What would be the best for me is :

  • bringing back the full VST2.x compatibility, with FXP/FXB support
  • keeping what is already existing, VST3.x related
  • adding an automatic process that prevents any interference between VST2.x plug-ins and Mediabay/VST3 presets management. Actually, the problems that I have are here and the code for both standards is already existing. Beside this, Cubase already detects what is VST2 and what is VST3 at the launching stage (‘Plug-ins Information’ window).

What is probably a true problem under a developer point of view is that the trackpresets are supposed to be able to save the involved plug-in preset among other informations. I guess that, for this, an unified presets format is needed. I’m not absolutely sure, but I don’t remember a trackpresets equivalent in the SL/SX days. On the other hand, the track archives were already there. So, why not implementing the following scheme :
VST 2.x plug-ins → VST 2.x presets management with FXP/FXB support → track archives feature
VST 3.x plug-ins → VST 3.x presets management (Mediabay) → trackpresets feature
This with absolutely NO interferences between both : no conversions from FXP to vstpresets and no trackpresets available for tracks involving a VST 2.x plug-in : the present state of these are simply not reliable with VST 2.x stuff.

cubic13, I was not saying that such decisions necessarily relates to incompatibilites, but rather depends on platforms (old and new) that are in constant motion, as well as future plans and necessities for survival of a company.

Sometimes decisions has to be made that sacrifice various aspects of systems. I have several hundred older (near complete) projects from (much) earlier versions of Cubase which can no longer be imported into the recent versions of Cubase. This is an example of something that sucks (for me, at least) as such a sacrifice. I am sure that they didn’t do it to piss me off, but because it was a necessary thing to do at the time. It still sucks!

Of course, this does not invalidate your requests, at all. I was merely commenting.

I´d like SB to force Native Instruments to make Kontakt VST 3.5 compatible, so I can use Note Expression and VST Expression… :smiley:

Yeah, gather an angry mob with torches and ask them to shoot video footage of the attack! Then hold a contest for best movie score :laughing:

You should TOTALLY work at the SB marketing department! I´d like some fun initiatives like the one you proposed.
SB employees blackmailing NI first, then assaulting them with Nerf guns, handing over pages and pages of VST 3.5 code, pointing at some Kontakt source code on screen. “Do it. Do it NOW, or else”.

About your old projects, did you try to install SX3 which is able to import projects in the old Cubase VST format ? It is freely downloadable for all C4-C6 licence owners.
More details here : Re: Cubase VST Song import in Cubase 4 and later: a solution - Cubase - Steinberg Forums
If necessary, you can also download old FX plug-ins that were bundled with Cubase at this time on Steiny FTP servers ; there is an article about this in the knowledge base.

Beside this, I think it’s an endless debate as, at some point, evolution and new features implementation were probably requiring a new projects files format, but not a drop of the full VST2 compatibility, IMO, considering that this standard is still (and will probably remains so, for many years) the most used, even for VSTis recently released.

All the best.

No I did not (yet, that is) but at some point I will install it on some machine and convert them all. I’t just such a pain to have to convert using (install and load) an entire application. But thing could be worse I suppose, I just really wish there was a convert application from old to whatever the latest version is. (I have some files that are from the Atari days in the 80’s. :slight_smile:

All I really care about is the “arrangements” (the tracks really), the instrument and sounds I can replace and build myself.

I would love to see Steinberg offer a New VST3 (FM-based) Synth for Cubase 7 , which can very accurately emulate the sounds of YAMAHA TX802/DX7II and offer some additional modern features. NI’s FM7 and FM8, just don’t have the presence, and fatness that the TX/DX Yamaha’s offer.

Cheers,
Muziksculp

i want edit mode in cubase…

Hum?

Edit Mode is a nuendo feature.Its very easy to work with picture with the edit mode function.

How about a slick dockable windows system like the one offered by Magix in Samplitude Pro X

Good… :wink:

and expensive… :open_mouth: :slight_smile:

Then I suggest upgrading to Nuendo. I´m lovin´it :slight_smile:

Is there any indications / rumors as to WHEN a Cubase 7 might come out?

Cubase is generally upgraded every 2-3 years or so. C6 was released in 2011, C6.5 in 2012, so I would guess that we’ll see Cubase 7 sometime in mid-late 2013.

This is not a rumour, but a wild guess based on Steinberg’s track record (no pun intended :slight_smile: ). Cubase (Wiki)

My guess : Cubase 7 will be released Jan. 2013 (most likely at the Winter NAMM 2013 show).

No, no… sorry, I reckon you guess wrong… :slight_smile:

I think they’re still too busy on Nuendo 6 - and that might be its release timeframe. Maybe earlier, by years end… But either way, C7 is well off into next year, when I gaze into my crystal ball.

(happy to be proved wrong of course. :wink: )