I made a thread recently about this. I bought Slate’s VBC and VMR over the holiday. The 64 bit versions crashed my Cubase 8. The 32 bit versions work great.
Then you might be so kind and inform the rest of us about his system. Without that information we can’t help him (or anyone else. You included!).
All my Slate plugins VCC, VBC, VTM and SSD4 and rock solid as VST 2.4 and VST 3 in CP8.0 and now CP8.05.
I should mention I’m running CP8 as a 64bit app and my Slate plugins are all 64bit.
I read recently that Sonar has moved to a new way of doing things, promoting a membership plan to get monthly feature releases. To their credit, they didn’t pull the sleazy trick Adobe used where once you stop paying the monthly tax, you simply can’t use your software anymore. With Sonar, they’re putting out new releases every month, but when your membership expires, you still own what you’ve paid for thus far.
That said, monthly feature releases? Yikes. Man, you think there are problems with Cubase on their roughly half-year release schedule? I’m glad I’m not a Sonar user anymore. I don’t care how Agile they think their process is, unless all they’re doing for new features is changing the text on a menu, the quality of their releases is going to be a nightmare.
Gave up on Cubase 8 and deinstalled it. Seems like Steinberg wants to have a major release every year for christmas, no matter what. Last time for me tho.
It is interesting to see how split it is on this topic. Some people seem to think it is ok to spend money on software that does not live up to the claims of the developers and use work arounds to make it work for them. While many of us expect to get what we paid for based on the information that we were given on their sales sites.
I know there are many different system configurations, and everyone doesn’t work the same. But basic functions
should work as stated. We all expect a few minor bugs in new software, that’s nothing new. I thought Steinberg
would have Cubase Pro 8 debugged better that this. All the new features caught my attention and that is why I
went for it. After a short period of testing it was clear that I could not rely on this on any real projects. I went back
to Nuendo 4. It has been rock solid for years and still is. That is what I expected from Cubase Pro 8. I have used my
different early DAWs over the years and never had this much trouble. From the first days of SSL Screen Sound, Protools, Nuendo 3 and others. I am just very disappointed. Maybe the next update or two will solve the issues.
Sorry for very late response. Not leaving this discussion, was busy over past few weeks.
No, all that says is that you can be pretty sure that people who are having problems and feel that C8 was not ready for public release, won’t change their opinion because others don’t have problems.
I did post that “I have no issues” is a valid response to the initial part of the discussion in this thread. However, people of the opinion that “there are issues, and because of that C8 feels to be released early” were then trying to discuss how the current state could be improved upon in the future. “I have no issues” is irrelevant to that part of the discussion, unless it’s used as an argument to not discuss how to improve the current state can be improved upon in the future - which in turn for those that have problems, isn’t really an option?
I hope you understand the difference as to what your point “I have no problems” is relevant to, versus what it isn’t?
This thread having no value is your opinion, and you’re entitled to it. My opinion is really different, so that does make your point not definitive (let’s be precise here, “this is the point for me” would have been more suitable, your point is certainly not “the definitive” point).
More importantly though, if this thread really has no value for you, why do you keep coming back and try to force your opinion that “I have no issues” is sufficient argument to stop any parts of this discussion?
Exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for confirming that through your post.
Nice rant!
Noted. Any valid suggestions for a better header so that you don’t need to resort to hyperbole to be able to describe it to your satisfaction?
Yep, your post shows clearly that you’re not bothered to take the time to read some of the constructive posts in this thread. The little time you have must be spent not on arguing the better points, but rather on cherry-picking things you think are easy to argue in your favour, and spewing more hyperbole on how you’re not interested in this thread.
Note that all the time you spent on writing that post, you could have spent on discussing how the current situation could be improved upon. And I would have gladly discussed that with you, or anyone else for that matter.
Steinberg improving the quality of their initial release now - even with zero effect on you - would maybe save you from some issues at the next release, when things maybe don’t work out for you as well (and I might have zero issues)… you know what they say about karma.
Anyway, as I already wrote before, I really don’t mind your opinion about having no problems. It’s just not relevant to the part of the discussion I want to have. Feel free to chime in with some value add as to how Steinberg can ensure the quality of their initial releases can be improved upon in the future?
Regards,
characterstudios
Yes. Even after resolving some of my problems, C8 still seems to be in Beta. Windows menu bar feels tagged on and is still completely confusing my windows-tab-through routine (after more than 50 hours), VCA-fader/groups are still bizarre, had to disable a bunch of plugins, and also random crashes (yes, I know that last part can be my setup).
If “upgrading to a beta version” for a slightly lower amount than “upgrading to a production version” would be in place, you wouldn’t hear me. And with “slightly lower” I really mean slightly lower - I would probably consider a beta-label almost more important, I’m not out to save a penny.
Regards,
characterstudios
No way to claim this wasn’t a broken beta release.
I scheduled a tech support call which happened a week ago. The guy was nice, and I discussed most (but not all) of the major problems. Broken MCU, crashing, freezing meters, windows, … Know what he said? Yeah, we’ve heard about that. Yeah, we know. Yeah, thanks for letting us know… Not a single suggestion as to a fix, nor a response to my inquiries as to when various things would be fixed. Nada… Using customers to find flaws. I call that unpaid Beta testing!
Went to NAMM last Saturday and spoke with 2 guys; Greg Ondo and another gent who’s card I can’t find, but who was introduced as the Cubase products specialist. When I explained how annoyed I was that they released 8 with so many bugs, including the broken MCU integration - and reminded him of the same problems in 7 - he claimed he was surprised. Of course, I had the same discussion with Greg just a week earlier and, apparently, that hadn’t crossed anyone’s’ desk yet… But what amazed me was that the specialist said how overwhelmed they were with all the people coming up to him to say how great 8 was working. REALLY?! He was pleasant, and promised to get back to me. But to be honest, I’m not holding my breath.
The reality is they rushed out a product that had numerous flaws that any real QC would have caught. I’m not saying Steinberg doesn’t have real QC. I’s saying they do, and knew and didn’t care; opting to put out a badly flawed product to sell just before the end of the year. Their bottom line was more important than the bottom lines - and trust - of their customers.
I won’t make that mistake again!
Sure - “Was Cubase 8 Pro ready for public release?” would be a start (and note the difference). As we’re all apparently spending too much time discussing the thread itself, I’ll leave response to that.
It seems to me, that the incredibly wide-open nature of people’s computer setups is at the core of the problem here. How two closely matched systems (like mine and my brother’s nearly-identical Mac Pros) could have such disparate experiences (I’m screwed with C8, he’s flying with it!), is a mystery. I’m sure Steinberg felt that it was stable when they released it (I hope!) 
I can only conclude that it was beta-tested on too narrow a cross-section of computers. Perhaps Steiny should expand its beta-tester coming to get more diversity (like the Oscars!).
Of course we’re beta-testing it…because, apart from the ethics of the whole thing, it just makes sense to. You’re simply not going to get a better or wider test pool than the actual (paying) customers; the program is too complex and is employed in too many different ways for a closed beta to be the only way to fail-safe the program. So it totally sucks for some users initially - but (hopefully) the result is a highly debugged program tested via innumerable set-ups in the end. I don’t how else you develop this kind of software and survive as a business, tbh.
Sure, but with how many people who are, for instance, seeing issues with the Slate plugin suite, or the click track… How can these issues get missed–unless the closed-beta is too limited in scope? (Naturally, I’m asking rhetorically. There could be hidden variables I don’t know about)
Non-rhetorically:
Are you OK with paying this much to beta-test? I’m not.
they wont admit it haha. same here with customer service. he was horrible just kept saying it’s to hard to help it’s the plugins… im like can we fault test please. if i remove anymore plugins ill only have cubases lovely plugs to use lol lol 
I’m saying there’s no way a closed beta could catch many, many of these bugs within a reasonable period of time. It’s not whether I’m Ok paying to beta-test; I just don’t know how else you’d make this software.
Right. Sorry, tone / viewpoint can be hard to catch from text sometimes. Lol
I understand what you’re saying, and agree. I never get a new, numbered version and expect to be able to just switch over right away.
It’s just that, with this release, and this one only, I’ve had to walk away from it. All other major releases, since Cubase 4, have been totally useable for me. This one in particular seems under-baked.
At least it’s not a Chevy ignition switch. 
In your case is the MCU not working the main issue?
I don’t use a control surface - well not an MCU one. At the moment the only issues annoying me are the click and the vst drop-down menu thing. I believe that not everyone has this problem. I am receiving a new computer this week so it will be interesting if it works properly or not. Cubase that is!!!
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A new annoying thing! I can’t change the drum pieces in BFD 3 - my first C8 crash.
Initially I was very please with Cubase 8, having upgraded from 6.5 I’m a fan of the new look and all the new features.
However… It is hit or miss whether projects will open up now, crashing unexpectedly on projects with very little going on. It is also crashing at random during a session. Hard to know what the problem is, it’s a fresh install on a new windows 7 64 bit, Komplete and UAD are the only plugins running.
There are a few really annoying things about this release too, mainly where on earth is the transpose function in the sequence window? I have to open a part in sample editor to transpose.
Also, where is the support? Has someone got an email address or link to a support form in the UK? Clicking on the support tab of the Steinberg site just takes me to a list of distributors, the Yamaha one for the UK just takes me to the main Yamaha site, not very useful.
Make sure you have the “info line” enabled for the main project window.