Dorico 5 Pro With MIR Pro All instruments Play Through First Instrument Channel

[MichaelB]

I have Dorico Pro 5.1 on Windows 11.

I have added an instance of Vienna MIR Pro to the Track Inspector in the first slot of the Effects Panel of the flute track and then in the first slot of the Effects Panel of the oboe track.
I double checked that the channels were set as Channel 1 to the flute and channel 2 to the oboe.

On playback, both the Flute and oboe playback only through the flute setting in MIR Pro. Adding other instruments all continue to playback through the first instrument; the flute. Again, I double checked that the channels were all correctly set.

I’m sure I’m missing something basic here and would appreciate any help with this.

Thanks.

[FredGUnn]

Are you using VEPro too? By default when you create an instance, VEPro creates a Bus for that instance and returns the signal to Dorico on Channel 1. You can delete the Bus and assign channels for the return audio and then the audio will then show in each channel of Dorico’s mixer.

If you aren’t using VEPro and you’re just using MIR then I’m not sure. When I just add MIR as a plugin to Dorico’s mixer it works as expected:

It does seem like you somehow have everything configured to route to a Bus which only returns to Dorico on channel 1 (the Flute), but if you aren’t using any other programs in the path then I’m not exactly sure where that is coming from. I’ve honestly only used MIR in conjunction with VEPro so I’m not completely aware of all its capabilities as a standalone plugin.

[MichaelB]

Thank you for your reply and the screenshot Fred, it’s much appreciated.

I’m not using VEPro, my playback is through NotePerformer. Also, I see that you are using the inserts on Dorico’s mixer, I used the ‘Insert Effects’ on the 'Track Inspector. I deleted these and added the inserts on Dorico’s mixer as you show in your screenshot.

Sorry, I had to edit this as the above made no difference after all. All instruments play through just one place on the stage as previously. Moving this around the stage does change position as expected (pan).

Would you by any chance have a short working example score of just a few notes with Dorico and MIR Pro I could try here? If not that’s fine I’m sure all will be resolved eventually.

[FredGUnn]

@MichaelB

my playback is through NotePerformer

Ah, ok, that’s the standard behavior for Noteperformer. NP has its own mixer, so each instance of its mixer will return audio on channel 1, whatever that instrument is. In the below example, the slider to control all of these instruments will be in the Picc 1 channel of Dorico’s mixer:

If you want more individual control, you have to make changes in NPs mixer, not Dorico’s. As NP handles its own panning in its mixer, I’m not sure how feasible it is to use it with MIR. Probably someone has done it, but it’s definitely not set up to be easily used that way by default.

[MichaelB]

Ahh … Thanks Fred, that explains everything.

Doesn’t sound too hopeful then. If I want to follow on with this my next move will have to be to contact NotePerformer to see if this can be used with MIR Pro.

[Derrek]

Or you could tag Arne @Wallander here so his answer would be available to all of us. Arne may not check this feed every day, but he generally respond quickly to questions on the forum.

[mducharme]

You’ll probably have to use this special playback template for NotePerformer to get the results you want:

Playback Template: Individual Mixer channels for NotePerformer

Hi all, I’m attaching a Playback Template that creates separate outputs / mixer channels for all NotePerformer instruments that show up in Dorico’s Project Templates. To do this without overloading the system, all the endpoints have the Instrument and Master reverb settings set to 0. Reverb and other effects can then be applied in the Dorico Mixer. A couple of important caveats: Setting up NotePerformer this way uses a lot more CPU (over 200% instead of under 100%) but about the same RAM. …

If you’re using NotePerformer with NPPE you don’t have to do that because the NPPE interface allows you to route the various instruments to different outputs. That option is not available for the built in NotePerformer instruments though, so the playback template I included is still useful if you’re trying to use those.

[MichaelB]

mducharme thanks for the info and the links.

The “Playback Template: individual Mixer channels for NotePerformer” you kindly linked to did the job to perfection! This is amazing.

All instruments in my Dorico score are now loaded into MIR 3D Pro and they all playback perfectly.

Should anyone else with a similar query find this thread, I would clarify that, as mentioned in the original forum, this Playback Template is for the default NotePerformer instruments.

The NotePerformer Playback Engines versions do not need the Playback Template, as mentioned in mducharme post above, as the NPPE versions can already be routed to different outputs.

Anyway I now have MIR 3D Pro working fully with both NP (NotePerformer) and my NPPE (NotePerformer Playback Engine) SYNCHRON-ized Special Edition 1.

Special thanks to David Tee for his kindness in compiling his NP Playback Template and for sharing it with us.

Excellent. I’m really impressed with this.