Dorico Predictions for 2023?

Could you do that with a MIDI controller mapping and just go into record mode? Even if not that would seem to be the only way to do it, say map a fader to ±5BPM or something.

No, what I’m talking about is something far more deeply integrated. Finale does this through tempo tap. As you tap the spacebar along with the recording, it will actually wait for you before it continues. The result is a far more organic performance in terms of tempo. And in my experience, it’s important to do this early in the compositional process. Otherwise you end up with confirmation bias: “this is the right tempo because it’s what I’ve been listening to for the past 20 minutes.”

Anyways, 5 BPM +/- wouldn’t be nearly enough for things like molto rit.


:smile: Obviously it would be editable

It always comes back to the question of how much should a notation program do DAW work.

Interesting. Yeah I can’t work that work that way, it’s all divide and conquer for me. Composing is composing, if I was writing a concert piece it would be non BPM directions (gotta give the conductor/performers a chance to put their interpretation on it), but I work in media music and have to produce stems to put in BPM with general directions, then dial it in for the ‘performance’ later.

Sorry to be a total curmudgeon but these are all personal wishlist desires, not predictions, fun or not.

They are all valid and we hope they can come into being one day. But you can’t make predictions as we have no idea what the schedule and priorities and resources of the Dorico development team are. I don’t see that you can even in principle make predictions about the development, and what exactly is the point of next year laughing at how you got it wrong?

What I suppose, and this is not a prediction, is that the Dorico team will continue to make great strides and continue to provide amazing updates every few months as they have this year, based on current behaviour.

Wouldn’t it be more fruitful to post feature-request tagged posts with these wishes? This thread has already been turned into a discussion on tap tempo. Valid indeed, but not a prediction.

Sorry folks! I’m not intending to offend anyone. It’s just that this is going to be the usual very long list of what everybody wants. There’s a topic for that already.

In any case, a good new year to all!


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I am hoping for the Instrument Editor.


I hope it won’t degenerate into a wish list (since we have those elsewhere) but I don’t agree that speculation is pointless.

What’s interesting is to think about categories of problems.

Figured bass, chord symbols, and harmonic analysis might once have seemed discrete requirements but if you think about them together (along with Generate Notes from Chord Symbols), things start to become more interesting.

The importing of audio files has been requested but think what that would mean if the audio could automatically be analysed and transcribed. When you think what Melodyne and Spleeter can do, there would seem to be an extraordinary future ahead. Steinberg now have SpectraLayers. You’re dismissive of a ‘discussion on tap tempo’ but if you think about it in that context, does it not seem an important first step? Bring an audio file into Dorico (or stems - maybe just keep the vocal?), map it to bars and beats, and get writing.

A wish list might ask for ties into second time bars and codas but again, perhaps this will be dealt with as part of a more thoroughgoing treatment of repeats.

I’ve also been thinking generally about what should be core functions for Dorico and what might be done with scripts.

Of course there are a lot of notation basics that will be perhaps a lot of work and not part of a grand scheme. It will be disappointing if some of the longstanding deficiencies aren’t dealt with within a couple of years.


I‘ll pick the low hanging fruit and predict that they will blow some minds with cool ideas we didn’t know we need.


Not at all dismissive - I only stated that it is OT for this topic. It’s a useful idea.

I intended it as a prediction. As I mentioned, it’s been discussed as a feature request elsewhere.

Indeed, they become very interesting. It’s a bit like pointillism: seemingly independent features that form a larger picture once considered in tandem.

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Not sure how to make a realistic prediction here but if we look a little at what the team have been doing - their priorities for v4:

Playback engine rewrite
Key Editor
Jump bar
Licensing system
iPad version

IMHO the next thing has to be an update on write and engrave functions, as they have been put off for so long. My guess is that

  • Engrave mode will see a big overhall, to make it more powerful and intuitive - things like copying frames, stylesheets, that kind of thing.

  • Condensing will be refreshed and streamlined to bring it more into line with the original goal (I.e choral)

  • you will be able to create custom instruments

  • aleatoric notation will be implemented in some way

  • scripting will have a more comprehensive front end

And from a wider Steinberg point of view:

Export to Cubase (comprehensive choice of midi and audio exports as well as VST settings straight into Cubase specific format)

Android version of iPad app

My crystal ball may be telling me porkies of course and beyond that it’s a little foggy, but perhaps that’s better than a wishlist

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Dorico uses the Qt Framework. The current latest framework is available for Android. I don’t have personal Android Qt development experience but I can almost bet there will be Android tablet differences between vendors, since the ecosystem is not controlled by one company as with Apple. and Android tablets (and phones) are at all different levels of Android releases, and some never get updated past the initial manufacture release level. This introduces many levels of development and support issues.

I would make the anti-prediction that we will not see an Android tablet Dorico for some considerable time, if ever.

In this post from last January, Daniel said, “we do not plan any further ‘small’ updates for Dorico,” and, “the next major version of Dorico that will attract a fee after the forthcoming 4.0 release will be Dorico 5.0, which we hope will come some time in 2023.”

Obviously at least at that point, there was an intended release planned in 2023, but 4.0 was released in January 2022 and then a bunch of incremental updates leading up to 4.3.11 in December 2022. Obviously I have no idea if the time for all the incremental updates was planned for in that original “some time in 2023” statement, or if the time spent developing them has shifted the timeline somewhat. Not to be a complete buzz-kill, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the timeline has shifted and there now isn’t a release at all in 2023.

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Your keyboard to God’s (Daniel’s) eyes! :joy:

I’d like that Dorico can predict what’s happening on mind (as music), then it starts notating, composing and arranging itself instead of myself. hahaha!!! :joy: —JK

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If Dorico can make notes from chords, with rules for avoiding consecutives, then it’s only a matter of time before it can do the same for figured bass!


So you’d still have to click print yourself??

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:joy: I forgot to mention that too —JK

Simple. All you have to do is feed CPE Bach’s Versuch über die wahre Art das Clavier zu spielen into ChatGPT3 and plug this in to Dorico. Job done. Continuo players become mere performers.

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