I have the following issue regarding the VCA channels:
intermittent: VCA write enable only works on mix page, clicking it in project page does nothing. When this is a problem the visual indicator only works on mix page.
VCA channels miss “S” “E” “monitoring” and “rec”, with “M” and “L” not working grayed out. I can in other words only control volume on the tracks that belong to the VCA and cannot toggle solo/mute/monitoring/rec etc…
I have tried to start with preferences disabled and it doesn’t help.
Anyone else seeing this? Anyone have a recommended procedure to make them appear and function the way they should?
Not in front of my system here, but the way VCA’s are implemented in Nuendo is totaly different from the way they are are functioning in Cubase.
In Cubase they are part of the grouping functionality. In Nuendo, they do not have any grouping functionality.
So monitoring, rec an other grouping functions are abscent.
You should however be able to mute and solo the VCA channel though.
But as you said, the only thing that a VCA fder does, is controlling the volume of the faders that belong to this VCA group. And that’s the way it should be. Anything else you want to “control” needs to be done through the grouping functionality.
First of all, all of what I mentioned was visible in the VCA channels in the Nuendo 7 video on VCAs.
Secondly, why shouldn’t input monitoring and record be included? Why is that “the way it should be”??? Sounds like just your opinion. I beg to differ. I’d rather have the option of having one VCA track to which all my stem tracks I record onto belong, so that I can record enable them all by just pressing record on that VCA tracks rather than having to navigate to the tracks themselves.
Thirdly, if Pro Tools does it this way, why limit functionality in Nuendo? Sounds a bit like cutting out a feature for no good reason.
I HATE how the Cubase VCA’s are linked to the grouping functionality. Making you think much more than necesarry… What else are linked, grouped to this VCA fader X etc, etc… Bound for accidents (record arm a track not intended, the clumsy selection).
A VCA should share the Mute, Solo and Fader level only IMO, and I am almost willing to buy the N5.5 + NEK to N7 + NEK upgrade only for this new (and better) VCA function.
Add in the “Advanced Project Collaboration”, and I’m almost there. A couple of other things as the extended Automation feature, and multiple marker tracks etc…
PS. I am now on Cubase 8 (had to bite the bullet on the new mixer), but my number one DAW has been Nuendo from N1.6 up to N5.5 (and Cubase in paralell since SX1 up to 6.5 (my C fav)). Now trying to like C8 (its clumsy VCA implementation has been annoying me).
We need more vids and documentation on the VCA’s and the “Advanced Project Collaboration”…
@Fredo - Do you think those two things will be ported over to Cubase at some point? Cubase 8.5 or 9 maybe?
$450 is a bit too much money to spend, if Cubase will inherit these “NOT POST ONLY” features.
If you don’t see the use in a record or input monitoring button enabling the members of a VCA then all you have to do is not click the button. There’s zero loss for those that don’t need it in having this implemented.
@ Grabber - I think you mis-understand. VCAs should be separate from the grouping functionality but they should also have some other basic functions included which other DAWs have.
For example, when using linked groups + VCAs + group channels things can get messy quite quickly with the current lack of VCA solo/mute. See https://youtu.be/cALPW8kK4Pw?t=119 as an example of solo/mute with VCA faders.
Ok, so forgive me for being a bit “fussy” about this, but the implementation of VCAs in Nuendo 7 is currently BEHIND the one in Cubase 8, months and months later. To me that’s a little bit disappointing.
For the record, I wrote that, the VCA’s indeed should have mute and solo functions within the VC fader/group.
In addition to Fader level, and automation Read/Write of corse .
The missing functioning Mute/Solo buttons has to be a bug, and will be/has to be fixed IMO.
What I don’t want, is the ability to record arm all tracks from a VCA fader/group with a single button.
I don’t want to let all tracks in a VCA group be selected when clicking a single track.
Both which should reside in the regular grouping functionality (which is a combined Grouping/Linking/VCA mess in Cubase - And we do NOT want that).
Could you please stop confusing “linked tracks” with VCAs
I have the impression that it is you who wants to achieve the same thing (linking tracks) through VCA’s.
It are indeed two different things. And they live happily next to each other.
First of all, why is it a problem to do exactly that thing by linking faders/tracks in the old fashioned way?
Secondly, I don’t recall ever seeing anyone using VCA faders for anything other than final mixing.
I don’t think you fully see how VCAs work.
A VCA is a voltage controlled amplifier.
It offsets the voltage of the faders assigned to that VCA, thereby creating a dual layer level control.
That is the definition of a VCA, and that’s how they have always worked on the traditional consoles.
For the record, I know that PT VCA’s have a rec-arm function; this is not about copying functions from another DAW, but about implementing functionality with a clear vision. Which indeed results in pro and contra’s.
I support the Steinbertg KISS approach very much, and as said, some things are missing at the moment.
I use the VCAs in PT always, from the very beginning in editing, just for solo/mute the parts of my session I don’t want to hear atm. They are constantly mapped to my first controller-page, even if I don’t mix. So for me VCAs without Solo/Mute makes less sense. And I have to say that the advertising pics I saw online let me assume, that there is solo/mute on VCAs.
I’m talking about the technical aspect of it, not the practical one. What I am proposing has absolutely nothing to do with linking, and I made that clear. “Linking” tracks to perform solo/mute/rec is no more “linking” than is adjusting levels. It’d all work the same way, which is the way it works practically in PT, which is that the tracks that belong to the VCA respond in tandem to the controls activated on the VCA - BUT - you still have individual control of the tracks.
Was that not clear? How is the above “linking tracks”?
Why is it a problem to perform level changes by linking faders the old fashioned way? Your question makes no sense. The whole point of using VCAs is increased convenience. Why is this any different than level? You could link all your gunshot sound effects tracks and they’d live next to your gun handling foley tracks living next to your other foley tracks and to the left of the gunshot tracks you have the impact tracks and the… you get the picture… very wide project with many tracks… and then you can ask the question: “Why is it a problem to do exactly that by linking faders/tracks”? and the answer is “Because the entire project is very wide and it’s inconvenient to change the level (or solo or mute) like that”. Same thing applies to changing rec status.
As to your second point, I don’t understand it. If you’re on a stage and you want to record enable your stems to punch in a fix is that not “final mixing”? Seems like meaningless splitting of hairs to me.
Ok, fine. As I already said: If included, nobody that ever uses Nuendo has to push the button. It can just sit there, completely unusued - like it is in the video of Nuendo 7 VCA functionality btw. So what are the “pro” / “con” in this case in your opinion?
About copying functions from another DAW and vision: Sometimes people here sound like they don’t want to “copy” from other DAWs because Nuendo has to be special. But what’s the point? More people use PT in post than use Nuendo. Regardless of whether it’s about growing market share or just getting more engineers - or - just making an app better, why is “copying” even an issue worth bringing up?
If there’s a “vision” I’m missing here then why don’t someone tell us what it is so we know.
A lot of what Nuendo does is very very far from KISS when compared to other apps. I don’t have a problem with it because it’s worth-while trade-off as long as stuff works properly.