Kontakt volume gets reset

Can anyone tell me why Kontakts volume is reset every time I press play?

Because Kontakt’s volume slider responds to MIDI CC7, which is sent from Dorico’s MIDI mixer.

You can unlearn it in Kontakt (right click on the volume fader: unlearn CC7)

Yep. Thanks Saxer.

Ok, tried this on mac and pc now. I’ve unlearnt the midi cc and Dorico is still moving the volume control. Any more ideas?

Also if I change the volume control to respond to pitch bend etc Dorioc still resets it on playback.

Very few ideas, and unfortunately might not be helpful, but:

1.) In addition to unlearning the midi CC, have you also configured the instrument itself not to respond to volume messages? Click on the wrench icon > INSTRUMENT OPTIONS > CONTROLLER > Uncheck “Accept standard controllers for Volume” (and pan, if you run into trouble there too). (If you load instruments for each project instead of using a template, you might want to re-save the instrument so that next time you load it, this preference stays where you want it.)

2.) You could also try setting “natural” in your expression map to send a CC7 message … I think (but not 100% sure, and away from my rig right now) that sending CC7 = 100 will set Kontakt’s volume slider to 0 dB. (If that’s not the right value, a tiny bit of experimentation should find the right one, IF this works for you at all.)

Finally, a friendly warning: All of the above might not work, depending on the instrument, for reasons I don’t understand. For example, unlearning and unchecking “Accept standard controllers” works for me in LA Scoring Strings … but in the Chris Hein solo strings instruments, I have given up on ever being able to fix this, because nothing I’ve tried works. The only option in this case would be to host the plug-in in another program, such as Vienna Ensemble, and pull down the channel fader there to compensate.

It can be very frustrating; I hope you find a solution!

Thanks for the help. Option 1, unchecking ‘accept standard controllers’ has worked. I’m sure I did this yesterday and it didn’t work. But it’s working now! Thank you!

I’m glad it was helpful! You have no idea how many times I was banging my head against my desk, bewildered, the first few times I ran into this non-intuitive Kontakt behavior.

Problem for me is that unchecking icon > INSTRUMENT OPTIONS > CONTROLLER > Uncheck “Accept standard controllers for Volume” (and pan, is not a global change. It has to be done each time you load a new instrument in Kontakt. has to be some sort of conflict in Cubase 10/Kontakt 6. native Instruments says it’s Cubase?? I agree.

Additional comments;

I also repeated loading an instance of Kontakt 6 into Protools 11.3 and into Digital Performer 10.x. And there were no issues with volume changes. And the "[options/ INSTRUMENT OPTIONS > CONTROLLER >Accept standard controllers for Volume] was checked. No problem in either DAW. This is definitely a bug in Cubase pro 10.0.4. Never had this issue until installing the latest Cubase 10 update. :confused:

I am running into this same issue when using Spitfire Kontakt instruments. In their case “accept standard controllers for volume” is already unchecked, but the Kontakt instance is still having its volume slider reset every time I hit “play” in Dorico.

Is there a way to disable the CC7 data coming from Dorico?

I don’t think there’s any way of disabling the sending of CC7 except to change the volume type for dynamics in the expression map you’re using to send velocity, but Dorico will still send a “reset controllers” message when it starts playback.

Dorico sends CC7 from the MIDI section in the mixer. It’s quite separate to dynamics. What is it that you’re actually wanting to do?

Have it not send CC7. :slight_smile:

The broader context is that I have a Vienna Ensemble Pro instance hosting a Kontakt plugin, which in turn hosts several Kontakt instances in a multi. I want to be able to adjust the relative levels of each Kontakt instance within the multi, because certain articulations are way louder than others despite being from the same instrument. The only way I can make these level adjustments - given my specific setup here - is to use the per-instance volume slider in Kontakt, which is apparently countermanded because Dorico auto-resets its value via CC7 with each playback.

There’s a “Accept Standard Volume Controllers” button in Kontakt settings which should theoretically control whether CC7 is monitored, but in the case of Spitfire instruments these apparently are already un-checked. Yet the volume slider still resets. I don’t know whether Spitfire modifies the standard Kontakt logic in making their plugins.

More detail than you probably wanted, but now you know what I’m trying to do!

Ok, that’s something that’s not currently possible in Dorico.

I was struggling with my Chris Hein libraries too, Orchestral Brass and Woodwinds in my case, but I just found out you have to open your mixer, select the Midi intruments to show and change the setting of the fader there. Once you’ve lowered it, the volume of the output slider in kontakt will respond to that setting and be much softer.