Lyrics only as cue in an instrumental part => possible?

Dear fellow Dorico users,

is it possible to insert lyrics (and only the lyrics) of a vocal part as cue into an instrumental part?

Up to now I couldn’t really get my head around this… the only workaround I could come up with, is to set the notes of the cue as “rhythmic cue” and colour them white manually so that they would blend in with the paper background. This would leave the vocals cued in.
It’s sort of possible but it’s quite a hassle

Is there a more elegant way I haven’t been able to see yet?

Many greetings to you all!

The easier way is to make a duplicate staff for the vocal part, call it “Lyric Cues,” and copy everything from the vocal line into that.

Then… delete the notes, and the lyrics remain. That’s a handy feature of lyrics in Dorico - they’re able to exist independently from notes. You can then cue from the lyrics-only staff (and remove it from all layouts).

If you want the vocal part name to appear in the cue, you’ll need to rename the lyric cue duplicate part with an added space, so Dorico doesn’t try to automatically number the two vocal parts.

PS: I do find that when I do this, the lyrics crunch together. I often need to manually space them out in Engrave mode.

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Great advice, Dan! Thanks a lot!!!

Thanks Dan!

Thanks for this suggestion. I’m transcribing an opera at the moment, and I need these kinds of lyric cues for recitatives. I found that using a hidden cue staff works, but deleting the notes as described leaves you with cluttered lyrics as Dan described, but also extra rests which take the place of the notes I’ve deleted, and which I can’t seem to get rid of. Even doing a ‘remove rests’ in the source bar doesn’t remove the rest in the cued bar. Curious to know, Dan, how you got rid of yours in that example. The only way I’ve been able to find to do it is, rather than deleting the notes, hiding the stems and leger lines in Engrave mode, and then setting the noteheads to a custom set with no notehead. That has the bonus that the lyrics retain their rhythmic spacing, but it’s a bit of a pain to execute.

Double click to invoke the caret. Right and left arrows to move it along the grid. Shift-L to open the lyrics popover.

Don’t put notes in.

Aside from the spacing, the only annoyance is that hitting Space after a lyric will take you to the next note, so rather than hitting Space you need to hit Enter, then move the caret along the grid, then type Shift-L again for the next lyric.

Of course, if it’s the sort of lyric cue where the start and end position matters but the rhythmic positions in between don’t matter, you may be better off using Shift-X text.

Thanks Leo, that’s getting closer to what I need. Filtering lyrics and then cutting and pasting them onto a blank staff does the same job (and saves me entering them twice). The surplus rests appear in Galley View, but not in the part, which is what counts. I thought about using system text, but I need to exclude the cues from the score, and I’m not sure how else to do that other than to use the built-in cues. It’s important to set ‘Use clef of destination instrument’ in this context, too, because played notes overlap with cued lyrics and you don’t want them suddenly changing clef.

Incidentally for anyone following along, I found my previous solution of hiding stems and noteheads worked fine until there was a passage with a rest in it, which of course lots of these recitatives have. Also, rhythm dots don’t disappear just because the notehead does. So I discarded that plan.

Pretty happy with this result, and it’s not too much work to put together.image

Certainly in recent versions, it’s possible to hide Text (whether System Text or Staff Text) from the properties panel. With the Set local properties switch set to Local you can hide the text item(s) in the score layout only. I use this all the time for V.S. and (time) indications before page turns.

Ah, that’s good to know. I had a feeling Dorico had retreated somewhat from it’s anti-hiding-anything stance, but I’d never used those options before. Still, solutions that don’t rely on me to get stuff right are better than those that do, other things being equal.