Media Bay + Project Root Key should also allow for modes (minor etc)
Currently, it only seems to allow for major keys in the project window.
My understanding of the Project Root Key is that it is used for transposing an entire project. From that perspective, modes are not needed.
Could you give an example of what you would like to see/hear from being able to enter say, âG Lydianâ as your project key?
Itâs also the relationship between MediaBay audio and project key. There is no (clear) way to set audio, to for e.g. A minor, as exactly that, A minor. There appears to only be major modes.
Thanks
I would view the Project Key as just that, the key of the song. Think of it in terms musical notation. If you want a minor key, use the parallel major key: Am = C, Em = G and so on. Would that work in your case?
Thatâs cool, but it has no functional impact, right? Itâs just meta data I would assume.
I suppose yes, I am not into chord track and stuff so maybe it get there to some extend but having it through character you can sync tune of the mediabay to follow project root note and you can quickly audition samples in minor key and also in nearest key(with automatic pitch ±1,2,3 etc to proj root key) having it otherwise will be a bit messy i think.
Thanks, though as @mlib had said
We simply need a way to tag the audio so it has a musical/relational link to project key or at least the key we have actually set.
I havenât been able to establish if it works with 100% certainty, but yes Iâve tried parallel modes hack. Cheers
Actually key tags corresponds with project key as I mentioned above you can preview and import samples which will sync not just with tempo but with key of the project, currently for minor/major tags that might work for midi parts (you have to check that) but for audio it doesenât make sense at this state of features, simply if your project is on say Amin and you have sample of piano or vocal that is on Amaj it would mean that it has to do variaudio on the fly so it can transfer major to minor, which potentially means more sluggishness with mediabay. Not to mention if source is polyphonic that is not possible currently even zplane (which steinberg licence their elastique algorithms) has technology to recognize and edit polyphonic audio (zplane deCoda) so taking all into account it would be hard to implement i think? But agree that in theory that will be awesome.
Thanks. I would disagree about it not making sense. Itâs something I bump up against in multiple sessions.
We may though be speaking of different things, as my position was initially purely about modes. I donât care if itâs on the fly or not, (it is something I would appreciate and many modern DAWs could handle this).
As mentioned my hope was more for an absolute reference so that at least when imported we have âstandard referencesâ, for at least the most popular modes.
I think Grada meant it from a developers point of view, not from your point of view as a user/customer. Steinberg does not possess the necessary technology in order to change an audio sampleâs mode. Therefore it makes no sense to offer such a feature.
There is also a misconception on your side: The Root Key is not in major mode. In fact there is no mode at all. Again, this is due to the lack of required technology.
Thank you, thatâs fine, but of course I can really only request/answer as a user and creative in this context, as not being part of Steinberg.
Again, are we speaking of the same things. I was also speaking of the MediaBay Key settings (not the project root key, as I had responded to that previously).
A key is a key and not a mode. Also in the Media Bayâs key settings there is no major mode as you claimed:
That is not to take anything away from your feature-request. I think it is just a good idea to understand that there is no âonly major modesâ in Cubase anywhere. If modes can be selected you will be able to choose from a good variety. Any place where you canât select the mode simply has no mode, not even major.
Johnny thanks, thatâs a fair, I had used key and mode interchangeably. My query throughout remains, that the key feature does that, appears to reference a key. And my point was it does not appear to reference minor keys but only major. (Please see first posts).
And therein lies my point, not having minor key tags was indeed the original query/issue when tagging samples.
Anyway, I am happy for us to leave it here. Itâs clear Cubase doesnât offer this., itâs a great nice to have.
This whole key tagging thing has left me scratching my head many times, and I canât decide if thereâs a âright wayâ to do this. If I have an instrument playing a small phrase: Eeeee Gggg AAaaaa Ccccc, how do I tag that? A minor? G major? F major? C major? D minor? E minor? All of them? But then, what if thereâs a chord change in the middle and E G are on one chord while A and C are on a different chord? Or do I just use the tag for âmyâ intended harmonic function of the phrase? But then, am I not locking myself out of some potential uses?
I donât know. I canât think of a satisfying method to improve the current situation.
So, on one hand I would support this request, but on the other hand I know deep inside that it wonât make matters less confusing, or rather, unambiguously clear for me.
How do you know itâs major?
As mentioned ~several times, we âknowâ because we have audio that is labelled as such. For eg Google image
Johnny thanks for getting involved, but as I politely requested earlier, please just leave it bruh, beginning to feel a lot like sabre-rattling.
just fwiw, Root Key in Cubase refers to a Key on the piano keyboard, in the same sense as calling the piano roll midi editor the Key Editor.
Yup, @mlib had clarified this very much earlier on, but thnx.
We have more recently been referencing the audio tag Key feature in the MediaBay.