Mixer automation -- internal to Dorico

Can anybody recommend, from first-hand experience, a plug-in mixer that provides automation capabilities? While wrapping up an extended composition for large ensemble and I just realized that somehow, some of the later sections are globally 3-6dB louder than the earlier ones. I dread the thought of having to manually adjust the dynamics of – literally – thousands of notes, and then correct the resulting errors in articulation, mixing, etc.

I realize that if I process Dorico’s exported-audio parts in a DAW, that would let me master w/mixer automation. But it would be a much cleaner workflow if I could create raw Dorico output with correct levels to start with.

For fader automation you don’t need a plug-in, you can map your Vst’s volume to fader(s) on a MIDI controller and record/ play them in without changing the notes.

You might check out the new release documentation on the key editor- it’s different more automated way of working I think is meant for this kind of scenario. You could select all the notes for multiple instruments at once for a given section, use the tools to bring them up or down proportionally in a certain range using the histogram, stuff like that.

I’m not an expert with it yet, but it is faster, more lifelike and musical IMO. I’m not knocking anyone’s preference for how they want to work though. Keep or sweep…

I’m waiting for the ability to use a MIDI Mod Wheel to record CC Changes (like Tempo or volume) retroactively during playback in a manner similar to Cubase’s Merge capability.

Most of my vst can be configured to use the mod wheel for volume and you can play the mod wheel in today like any Cc. I don’t have any experience with using tempo like that

Well, my situation is that I’ve created a lengthy 10-instrument composition by editing score notation – no physical MIDI controllers involved – and need to change the overall volume level of several sections, totally, I dunno, 10 minutes of content. I’m not sure how mapping something (not sure what you’re referring to) to a virtual MIDI controller would work – or how I would even attempt to implement such a thing.

Complicating factor: I’m using NotePerformer3, which doesn’t always play nicely with other Dorico features. So I’m already going through two mixers.

Thanks for the reply.

PP

The link below takes you to a thread focussed on using separate instances of NotePerformer for each instrument, thereby allowing you to control everything from your single Dorico mixer. I also find the playback sounds better using this template and you can also use any reverb or other effect with any of the individual instruments. Definitely worth a look.

Playback Template: Individual Mixer channels for NotePerformer

Dorico

Hello PP

I answered that way because I didn’t want to ignore your plug-in question and go on an unwanted tangent. Hazards of a forum I guess, apologies.

IMO The key editor is your best friend in this kind of situation. I’m not a tutorial writer and run the risk of telling you what you already know, but make sure you are in write mode with the bottom panel open and press the button that shows the piano roll (shows you the key editor)

Using the notation panel, Select all the notes in a section for an instrument you want to change/automate. I will let the Dorico 4.3 release notes explain later how you can do this so that you can synch these changes to all ten instruments.

Click the “selection” button/mode in the key editor to focus what we do on the selection. At this point you could draw a line for velocity or dynamics in this section, but here I’m going to introduce a useful bad habit of automating cc7 (volume).

The trick here (maybe? Haven’t owned NP in a while) is we are not messing with what NP is doing, just automating volume. Nice thing about Dorico is just draw a line down 6db or whatever, and if it’s too much just draw another line above the first line and Dorico will replace the original. Takes like 2 seconds. Similar if you need to draw a lower line or some kind of curve.

I halfway think with a single instance of Np and cc7 it will be global and you won’t HAVE to adjust the other instruments . I have no way to test though. If I’m wrong refer to the key editor release notes for multi instruments, (refer to them anyway)

or worst case drawing 10 lines doesn’t seem horrible. And if I’m really wrong at least you get to tell me that :slight_smile: I’m not mentioning deltas and histograms and such because I suspect with NP you don’t have anything there for those tools to work with.

Cheers (I hope?)
Greg

Thank you, Mike & Gregory, for taking the time to explain this. Now I know what I’ll be doing on Thanksgiving!

Boy, does Dorico ever run out of functionality? After nearly a year, I’m still learning about new features.

The thing about NP is that changing volume can change timbre. So all of this may take a bit of prototyping.

I’ve never looked into Dorico’s scripting feature, but maybe now’s the time to take a peek. Maybe that would do the job.

I don’t think so here. This should be outside the dynamics that NP uses and be just like turning the stereo down. Most Orchestra VST at least use TWO Cc - one for the player’s played dynamics or dymamic layers and this isn’t it.

In any case I believe the key editor can do anything you could do without separate mixing. I was also wondering how you feel about a compressor?

Just doing my best to help.