I need to create the following score in Dorico. (see the attached graphic).
This was done in Finale. I’ve tried to recreate it in Dorico but so far haven’t been able to do it.
Any help?
Thanks, Bill
Bartók.pdf (50.4 KB)
I think you will need to work with invisible tuplets for this short transition.
Welcome to the forum, @wmbrink!
Many elements can be entered independently using opt/alt + enter rather than simply enter. In this case, part of the solution will be to enter independent time sigs.
But of course, there’s not the same amount of “stuff” in a 6/8 and a 2/4 bar, so hidden tuplets are another aspect of the solution.
I’ll dig up a few helpful links… 
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Thanks for the quick response. I’ll look into the “invisible tuplets” approach.
I must say, Finale has a very elegant solution to this type of modern notation.
(new to the forum; forgive the duplicate “thanks.”
Bill
I’m just on the train now, so I cannot look up, when the 6/8 in the viola will end, and with it the hidden tuplets. I guess after then everything will return to “normal”.
I’ relatively new to Dorico, so I’l trying to figure out how you set this up. Id does do what I need for the score to be accurate.
The strings change and return to original meter in various places.
I really appreciate the input from you.
More later.
Thanks, Bill
Wanting to try this out for myself, I believe this replicates what @meixner showed. Hope it helps!
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Some hints:
all time signatures after the initial 6/8 are local, which means they are input as (2/4) (if hidden) or 2/4 and made local by alt/option-Enter.
P.S.: If one really insists on proper playback, a hidden tempo change has to be input at the second bar of the excerpt, but I personally wouldn’t bother - after all it’s fait accompli by Bartok.
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Thanks!!!
This is just what I need to do, but I don’t (yet) know how to set up the various time signatures, hidden and shown, “hidden tuplets” etc. Although I can see your signposts, I still learning how to do them in Dorico.
I really appreciate the help.
Thanks, Bill
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Could you tell me how you input these signpost indications [ 2/4 (q, 1+1) ]? I’ve tried local and global but can’t get them to work.
Thanks, Bill
As @meixner described:
- shift - M “(X/Y)” hides the time sig (no parentheses for explicit)
- opt/alt - enter makes a time sig (or many other score elements, for that matter) independent (i.e. “local”) to that staff (or even voice, as in keyboard music)
Since the viola’s notes had to then be written as triplets to fit in the new 2/4 meter:
- select all notes
- filter for tuplets
- **Properties Panel > Tuplets > **engage Number to hide the number (seems odd at first, but it’s because you default to bracket only; had it been a bracketed tuple, you’d need to additionally engage the Bracket switch)
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Million thanks again.
I’ve got to do a lot more studying before I’ll figure out how to set this up like you did, but your solution is exactly what’s needed.
As far as playback, that’s why we have recordings, so I don’t need this score to play.
I’m using this 4th string quartet as my intro do Dorico (I’ve been a Bartok fan forever.)
More later,
Thanks, Bill
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However, this notation will playback correctly.
Understood. If it ever was a concern — say, you wanted to embed computer playback in a class lecture slide — @meixner’s suggestion of the hidden tempo change would definitely do the trick.
As far as choosing Bartók rather than, say, George Crumb as your training vehicle…what are you, some kinda slacker or somethin’??? 
I don’t think so, @Janus. Unless I’m misinterpreting, the slower duplet in the cello is to become the new eighth note, so a hidden tempo mark 2/3 the previous value would be necessary.
I have been a slacker also: I did the whole of Beethoven‘s IVth symphony as a speed training then 
But then a Froberger toccata for flexible keyboard writing, and then the first movement of Messiaen‘s Fete de la Pentecote, unslacking myself …
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I keep the original 6/8 as the pulse, the duplets become 4:6e (or 2:3e). It plays back perfectly.
Would you be willing to post your version? I’d love to compare.
Try this…
bartok-qtet4-frag.dorico (818.5 KB)
Each 2/4 signature is a 2/4,3 pickup to retain the 6 quavers. Each “2/4” bar is a 4:6e tuplet.
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