Still not there on C15, please vote!
The power supply on my console is down and for the first time ever I’ve been forced to use the Control Room in Cubase.
In general the Control Room is pretty good, but damn is the Cue system archaic!
Only 4 Cues - why on earth is there even a limit on I/O in the Control Room these days?
If you make any of the Cues mono, you basically loose the unused channels.
Mono Cues have totally unusable pan controls in the mixer, which have been there erroneously for decades now!
And I can’t believe there’s no implementation of an intelligent ‘Mix to Cue’ setup from where to build a cue mix from - even my old Mackie digital mixer could do that over 15 years ago!
For anyone questioning this, the Copy Mix setting only copies a selected fader level to the cue level, so you can’t select all channels and hope that the Copy Mix function will work because it won’t if you use any groups. Cubendo knows what your Mix Out bus is, so it should be able to do this intelligently without the need to select anything.
I did a search of topics on the board because I was so flabbergasted at the state of the Cues and realised how long guys have had to put up with this - the functionality has never really been improved, only the graphics have changed. It isn’t even any better in Nuendo…
Wow - and not in a good way.
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Firstly, I agree - it would greatly benefit all if the Cue Mix system could be expanded/enhanced, with stereo feeds, with increased number count, etc. This has been requested many times. All of course if your audio interface can provide/handle the extra channel count/outputs in the first place… 
I don’t fully grasp this part (what your Mackie digital mixer could easily do 15 years ago). Correct me where I go wrong:-
- Take a ‘duplicate’ of the Main Mix Bus and feed that mix to all the musicians (on stage or in the studio) first, and use this as your main Cue Mix.?
- Or maybe you’re meaning to ‘duplicate’ the main mix to all available, separate, cue sends at once.? Then adjust accordingly for ‘more me’ demands etc…
My understanding is point 2 could already be done in Cubase Control Room - i.e. copy a static mix levels/pan on individual selected channels, over to all the Cue Sends settings.? And from there, one would adjust as desired…
Please, my apologies - I’m sure I’ll have missed some key point along the way.
There is a way to quickly “copy” the main mixer mix to a cue mix.
Just select all channels you want to send to a cue mix, then, in the control room, right click and look for “From selected mixer channels” / “Use current mix levels”
Then tweak to taste.
Greg Ondo explains it here in greater detail:
Regarding the 4 Cues only… well, I guess I already talked enough about it. 
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Indeed… the requests have been going on for years, and years now… still no movement. Maybe, the real bottleneck here is in requiring an accompanying update to Cubase ICPro to handle it all remotely.? LOL.! 
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Well, i wouldn’t mind if things happen in steps. The ICPro came back from the dead, that was a start… but it’s been two years already.
Puma0382
Point 1 is easy - you can just use the ‘Mix’ button on the Cue Send to quickly send a direct copy of the Mix, but it obviously isn’t adjustable in any way….
Point 2 can’t currently be done - easily. If you select all channels and duplicate the mix, then you get both group channels AND respective channels feeding any groups - and that’s wrong.
So to get a basic ‘Mix’ to the Cues you must be sure to ONLY select channels / groups feeding the Mix bus directly and that’s a faff in a big mix. Besides as I said earlier, Cubendo knows what feeds the Mix buss and so should be able to do this basic task for you automatically - as my old Mackie did.
FernadoMatias
Greg is giving a very basic example of a Cue mix and is avoiding the Group issue entirely - as is Dom in his YT video’s!!!
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Here’s a thread from 2017 complaining about this and explaining it very well!
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/improved-cues-sends-in-the-control-room-section/671164
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I think the problem of only 4 Cue sends is probably a legacy issue - they were initially conceived to feed the headphone outputs built into interfaces and 4 was probably more than you were going to find. Or you’d be using pairs of outputs to feed headphone amps and so again they’d be used up pretty quickly.
Now we have interfaces with massive amounts of I/O as well as personal headphone mixers so that limit should now be obsolete.
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I select only what I need, generally just instrument busses and it’s been serving me most of the occasions without much hassle.
The cue sends limitation is what bothers me the most. I frequently track live sessions with more than 4 musicians and Control Room with ICPro would be the perfect tool to use.
Unfortunately it is not.
As long as your issue is not a MIDI Remote one, they’ll maybe do something about it. People have been struggling with that feature since version 13.
Though certain limitations Cubase has are sort of incompatible with what a modern DAW should do. Just because ProTools is your main competitor, doesn’t mean you have to copy its limitations as well.
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Sigh… The one big area where Cubase’s DAW audio capabilities are put to use and where it could, by an order of magnitude, be a better experience…
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Except in this case, ProTools is the gold standard - its mixer and routing are fully thought out and totally flexible.
There were ‘size’ issues due to hardware limitations back when I had my Mix+ and HD systems, but as the hardware’s expanded those limitations are no longer an issue.
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The wait is frustrating. All we can do is trying to be positive and constructive about it. Eventually good news will come.
In the case of cue mixes ProTools doesn’t carry them, so, if you go the same route in Cubendo, you can have as many as in PT. The thing is, the concept is really useful, and with two or three changes it could be absolutely stellar (unlimited cue mixes; automátic mirroring of channels feeding the main bus in any of the cues; possibility of assigning key command to pre-fader/post-fader switch, it is stupidly inaccessible when the mixer is compact, and there is currently no key command; the option to have pre-fader send by default; etc).
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No - not explicitly named as such.
But cue mixes are just sends to outputs with associated commands that allow quickly setting them up as such.
PT has that nailed by having a much more flexible mixer - which is exactly what you say.
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Will it ever be possible to have more than 4 cue sends?! This is ridiculous, a basic band is always 5 elements… Drummer, bassist, 2 guitars and one vocal… Only that makes 5. Isn’t this a big red flag that cubase is not intended by root for a normal recording studio?! Love how control room is implemented and all the super features it has, but this limitation really does not make any sense to me. The ideal number would be be 6, but a minimum of 5, please! I don’t think this a lot to develop on the platform, since all is already made. How do you guys in large studios do with sessions with six musicians playing at the same time with headphones? Is not using the cues on control room the answer? And lose all the features on that? And forget the solution of sending stuff separated by instrument for each cue and mix it again after on an analog mixer. I developed a solution with iPads and OSC to each musician, and like that each can make their on mix to their phones.
I don’t know if it is helpful. In the Mix Console window you can select your main ouput channel and press Ctrl + F9 / Cmd + F9 to show all channels connected to it.
Depending on your group channel setup this might allow for a quick way of setting up a meaningful cue mix.