Timo! Help us out, we bought into the Nuage ecosystem, now we feel like Steinberg has abandoned us.
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Of course! You can also use the DVS (Dante Virtual Soundcard) just as easily. The channel count wonāt be as high as the card but 64ch is a decent amount. BTW, I have a Dante accelerator card here if anyone is interested.
To be clear, the hardware controllers are independent of the audio system in Nuage. You could have an Apollo interface with the Nuage controllers and it would all work just fine and dandy.
-Ashley
Okā¦I am not down with itā¦but I am forced to accept that nuage did not work on Apple siliconā¦but that upon the release of nuendo 13 with new graphicsā¦this is not implemented in the softwareā¦is another blow that shakes my immense granitic belief.
Nuendo 13 with graphics from 12 ā¦ letās hope that at least the restyling of the interface and a few more little features will be granted to us ā¦
I am sorry to see such a beautiful and functional object wasted and to see hopes betrayed, of a viable alternative to the overwhelming power of Avid.
Update:
Iāve got mine to work well but I have to run an instance of Nuendo on a PC as the āAā workstation to get the Mac Studio to work as the āBā workstation.
I was getting ready to sell mine and was hooking it back up to the PC to test things when I discovered this as a last ditch effort. Everything came back to full functionality. I removed the auction and am again happy with the best controller Iāve ever used!
Hereās that thread:
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/nuage-with-apple-silicon-no-displays-anymore/873073?u=bassman17
-Ashley
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For anyone interested, I recently upgraded to Mac Ventura and āthoughtā that was it for Nuage but the Tools for Nuage 2.2.0 Mac Intel Only update is working fine under Rosetta with my M1 Mac Silicon. Cheers!
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Can you describe the process you used here Ashley? That thread you linked to is dead.
Is this N11? N12? N13?
All the best
Just to add to this thread. Nuage works fine with N12 under rosetta Using OS14 Sonoma 14.5. No luck yet getting N13 working on the same, using a PC as DAW A yet, and Mac Studio as DAW B yet as Ashley mentioned. Anyone else who got this method to work please post here your process so I can try to duplicate
I would say that it appears at least at this stage, that the issue is simply software related. It seems like it should be relatively easy to do this even with Apple Silicon / Rosetta solutions. This is just a data stream input and output.
Iām on the last OS version on Mac Studio.
All working fine in Rosetta.
Cubase 13
Nuendo 13
Nuage: 1 Masterbay/ 3 Faderbays
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ok, I didnāt realize you could choose purposefully to run an app as rosetta even if it was coded for apple silicon. (its in the Get Info) right click option on the app.
Fantastic, Success!!! my babies are back online!
cheers!
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I realize this is a bit of an old thread, but has anyone actually figured out how to get Nuage to work with an Apple Silicon Mac? I can see the Nuage hardware in the Workgroup Manager, but not Cubase or Nuendo. It sounds like some people above figured out a workaround or something but for the life of me I canāt get it to work. Running Sequoia and Cubase 13 at the moment. Any help would be a lifesaver.
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I have it working in Ventura, I installed the latest Tools for Nuage and it just worked. I donāt know about Sequoia, havenāt installed it as I donāt want to lose use of the Nuage.
Hey @Rhialto99 ,
Getting the Yamaha Nuage system to work on Apple Silicon Macs has been challenging for many users, as the official drivers and software were originally built for Intel-based Macs.
Ensure that Cubase (even Cubase 13) is running in Rosetta mode, as certain plugins and integrations still need Intel-based code to work seamlessly. You can do this by going to the Applications folder, selecting Cubase, right-clicking, and choosing āGet Info.ā Then, check āOpen using Rosetta.ā
Greetz & Beatz,
Sammy
It does work in Rosetta, but Rosetta causes a performance hit in the DAW so I hate having to use it and I donāt know how much longer Apple is going to keep Rosetta around so thereās a bit of a death sentence waiting.
Now Iām wondering if thereās a way to run Cubase on a separate Windows PC and somehow relay the controls to the Mac (e.g. using the Windows PC solely as a remote running the Nuage tools), but I think thatās probably not possible or at least not with my limited tech skill set.
It works in Sequoia but only if Cubase/Nuendo are running in Rosetta mode, which is not a great solution. Iām still shocked that Yamaha canāt be bothered to support incredibly expensive hardware with what has to be a fairly minor software fix. Even tiny developers updated their stuff to support ARM, but somehow Yamaha canāt? Argh,
Yamaha do it to us AGAIN!
Ok ,not me ā¦ Nuage is way out of my league. But given the literal actual investment a Nuage set up requires itās inconceivable Yamaha didnāt budget for ongoing support.
I guess switching to PC is an option?
But my tiny opinion is to never, ever buy Yamaha hardware that needs even a whiff of a software driver. Itās a trap. And yes, I have been caught.
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Switching to Windows isnāt even a real option because Yamaha isnāt going to update the Windows drivers anymore either, and thereās a good chance they just do something in a future Nuendo/Cubase version that breaks Nuage entirely. I spent tens of thousands of dollars for this not long ago and now itās basically garbage. Iām never buying Yamaha hardware again, lesson learned.
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I spoke to someone this week from a big institution who built a dedicated Nuage based room. They are going through the same consternations ā¦
Itās terrible customer loyalty. I donāt know how Yamaha survive in the technology arena? The management philosophy is mind boggling!
In fairness their musical instruments ( guitars, drums, woodwind, brass etc) are awesome ā¦ and Iāve heard the outboard motors are good too!
No excuse, but if you look at it from another angle, it is understandable.
Every other product that Yamaha puts out is sold by the thousands. Maintening these products is as āexpensiveā and labor-intensive as for Nuage which sold only an few hundreds. The good side is that all hardware components are trusted Yamaha components which are also used in their other products, So in terms of hardware maintenance, users are safe.
But that doesnāt mean I stand behind Yamahaās decision.
I still hope they reconsider.
Fredo
I dont disagree, but I guess my view is that Yamaha undoubtedly understand that the connective tissue that holds a production workflow together ( ie drivers and computer OSās ) are constantly changing. It would be great if backwards compatibility was infinite, but things are moving away from that ideal not towards it!
But hardware and software can be architected with this in mind ( I know of manufacturers who do this ). If compatibility canāt be built into the initial price of a product then paid updates should be implemented. Support subscriptions are a very viable option ( in my professional role we pay for many of these).
Perhaps Yamaha could even outsource legacy driver support. I know a company that successfully maintains drivers for older industrial plotters and cutters ( VERY expensive hardware ) which initially ran on DOS.! The IT in their industry has moved on ( of course), the hardware manufacturers didnāt want to develop drivers for their old hardware ā¦ but they allowed this company to do it. Turns out to be quite lucrative. It also helps the plotter manufacturers because eventually a new process or function becomes available in a new unit and the customers still invest in new equipment for the new functionality. Their old stuff still plods along generating income, so a new investment is not seen as a ātrapā. Itās seen as a growth opportunity.
I feel too often these days we buy a piece of equipment that does AB & C , then 3-5 years later are forced to buy a replacement which still only does AB & C!
Yamaha equipment has outstanding build quality and generally amazing feature sets. Itās why I was lured in many times to buy their gear over the years. NONE of it works now. The hardware is fineā¦ it just canāt connect to anything ! Itās enormously wasteful and unfortunate.
They should just try to do better is all.
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^^^^^^^^^^^ This!
This is one of the main reasons why I no longer buy expensive proprietary hardware, and the main reason why I talk all the studio owners I know out of doing so, too.
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