I use Nuendo (and Wavelab and SpectraLayers) on an iMac 2021 M1 and on an MacBook Pro 2023 with an M2 Max processor.
I just installed Sonoma on the MacBook Pro that I do not use heavily right now. Yes, I know, it’s currently unsupported and all but I was curious anyway.
There’s some fundamental incompatibility at the graphics level with Sonoma and how Nuendo renders the user interface. When opening the program some elements only show up if you hover the mouse over the area where they are supposed to be visible up all by themselves. Which makes the program quite unusable. Hence my recommendation: don’t install Sonoma right now if you use Nuendo for serious production work.
FWIW: SpectraLayers and Wavelab seem to use a different graphic engine that cooperates quite fine with Sonoma.
Caveat: No intensive work load was generated with any of the programs just opening files and performing some basic editing…
I can confirm this on a MacBook Pro with Intel (i9) processor and a Radeon graphics card as well.
Mouse overing reveals some elements, but I found resizing and then maximizing works best. But as Nikope said, Nuendo it’s very unusable this way.
Hope Steinberg solves this I future updates…
absolutely the same here, also under Rosetta…will switch interim to Logic Pro and wait for the Nuendo update (won’t throw out Sonoma). Glad that I exported recent project playbacks as mastered files so I can work on them with the other DAW now…
Interesting POV. Do you really stick to an OS, not to your main audio application …? 8-|
Well, as a pro I have several systems intel and mac and work on Nuendo, Protools, Ableton depending on the projects, so no prob - just always early adaptor. Plus Logic runs great on Sonoma. By the way Nuendo Projects don‘t find a stereo out on Sonoma when loading, so quite some work for Steinberg ahead…Omnisphere also does not load…
I concur, same result with the graphics Sonoma and Nuendo 12, but the M1 is super fast now, so. I updated b/c I am in IT, and a songwriter. I actually like to identify failures and issues, then maybe they will get fixed soon. I just upgraded from Cubase 12, b/c when I was younger I could not afford Nuendo 4 and I loved it then.
Sonoma is lightning Fast!
As with all OS updates, I will wait for BOTH Sonoma x.1 and for Steinberg to release an update that supports it.
I just have never understood people who insist on being on the bleeding edge.
/ end rant.
Agreed. I am so happy with the stability of Cubendo 12.0.70
As always it’s a matter of taste and opportunities.
In my case, I have a main desktop and a main portable computers, both with stable software… But also have a spare one, where I can run all the “tests” I want.
Of course, if you only have one main machine and do pro work, with deadlines, etc., it’s irresponsible to be “on the bleeding edge”…
This is a bit strange. I’ve held off updating to Sonoma on my M2 MacBook Pro because of these reported graphics issues. I just opened Cubase (12.052) on my old i9 MacBook Pro and it seemed to work fine - no graphical issues with the interface or with any of the effects I loaded onto a channel.
I updated Cubase on the i9 machine to 12.070 and the same thing. No graphics problems on Cubase or any VST effects. Right now I’m staring at the big red button which says ‘Do not be a fool and upgrade to Sonoma right now on your main machine’ and bit by bit my hand is edging closer…
Hi, Unfortunately I can’t say anything about Cubase becase I don’t use it (nor have it), I can only speak about Nuendo… Maybe they use different drawing methods, I really don’t know… The only thing I know is that in my spare i9 MacBook Pro with Sonoma, Nuendo is broken…
On my main M1 Mac Studio and the backup M1 MacBook Pro, both with Ventura, Nuendo is working just fine, and until words from Steinberg I don’t plan to update the OS…
Have you got examples of elements that don’t show up in Nuendo? Being old, foolish and with no deadlines, I upgraded to Sonoma and I’ve not hit any problems with Cubase 12 or Dorico yet. Sonoma is noticeably faster on my Mac Mini M2 Pro.
Oh no, this is pushing me even closer to the red button of old, foolish, early OS upgrades. Sonoma on my old i9 macbook pro works without a problem. I’m holding off on my main M2 machine because of the reports about graphics problems. Have you got Wavelab? Does that run on your machine under Sonoma?
I’ve only got Wavelab Elements 11 and don’t use it that often. It opens and seems to run OK, but I don’t really know what to look out for.
Before retiring I worked in IT, supporting business critical system - upgrades were only applied after exhaustive testing. I guess that’s why I’ve become reckless in old age, with only myself to think of
Haha it must be liberating for you to do what you want when you want with software upgrades. I’m generally managing to be ‘sensible’ at the moment and not upgrade. However I don’t know how much longer I can resist the shiny new Sonoma toys, given that it seems to work without issue on my i9 mac.
After opting in on the developer beta updates for Sonoma, todays beta 23B5056e made the graphics issue go away again, which might indicate that this is not a problem with Nuendo after all.
From what I understand, the problem is a matter of APIs (i.e. programming interfaces) in macOS that don’t work anymore like they used to.
Apparently Apple will “fix” this on their end by enabling this functionality again, but this is probably a temporary bandaid to give developers like Steinberg time to change their code to newer APIs.
Again, this is my understanding based on forum posts here and elsewhere, and might be completely wrong