I’ve downloaded Nuendo just to check if it worth it to me to take advantage of the Crossgrade.
I’ve noticed something weird. I’ve opened the same project in Nuendo and in Cubase (the project was made with Cubase, by the way), and I could appreciate little changes in audio quality from one aplication respect the other.
To my ears, it seems like Nuendo is more “sharp”, more cristal sounding. Cubase instead, is a litlle more darker, a llitle more rounded sounding, more musical perhaps.
Have you had this impression too, or am I getting nuts?
Nope. And yes, you are nuts. They both use the same audio engine.
FYI this subject has been covered here countless numbers of times, always with the same conclusion. There is no difference.
For example see:
Yes, sure I’m completely nuts about this, but I had to confirm it. It must be the case that my mind has fooled me, probably I want to buy Nuendo and just need subconsciously an excuse .
I experienced the same thing after A/B test. Something is different even though it’s said that they have the same engine. Something is different. You have good ears!
This is one of the rare cases where you should not test with your ears but make a digital comparison aka a null test.
Export the same project with the same settings through both programs, then do the phase flip on one of them and see if they cancel each other out.
Here, I’ll prove it. Since you think I so ignorant.
Take a song or mix project of your choice and put a dual-mono EQ or compressor plug in on the master bus. (The plug-in you use needs to have stereo linking and unlinking functionality)
Set it as you desire BUT LEAVE THE STEREO CHANNELS UNLINKED FOR BOUNCE 1 AND THEN LINK IT BACK FOR BOUNCE 2.
Now conduct a null test on the two bounces and you will see that they completely null out. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE ADVANCED ENOUGH EARS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR THAT THEY SOUND DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT.
No they don’t ‘completely’ null out. What you see on meters is not what you hear. And what you see on meters is not always sufficient to establish whether you have a complete null or not. To conduct a full null test with the kind of example you propose here requires a program like Wavelab, for example, which is capable of doing a test to find out if two files are identical or not.
If you are using your meters and your ears, your test proves nothing. Your example is just one example of an erroneous test, otherwise known as human error.
No it’s not, again, and do the test and tell me what you find. It’s not human error if it’s deliberate and the results can be replicated over and over again.
Like I stated before we can politely argue all day but I know what I hear and I know what I heard.
Yes it is. What exactly are you trying to prove? Bounce 1 and Bounce 2 will clearly be different. They will never be identical since you have processed each file differently. They will not null. Your test proves nothing.
What exactly did you hear? and how exactly did you do your null test?
Post your two bounced files here and I will prove to you that they do not null.
Stop being so arrogant and do the test that I laid out instructions for since you are so persistent on labeling me as ignorant. That is the proof and I have nothing else left to say. Have a great day!
I just had a look and I’m sure that I never said you were ignorant. We are all capable of human error and i firmly believe that this is what is happening here. There’s nothing wrong with human error.
If you are so sure that there is no human error then please do post your bounce 1 and bounce 2 files here and I will gladly analyse them for you and give you a second opinion.
Nobody has called you ignorant, and it’s a bit unnecessary to call stingray “arrogant”.
If two signals are literally the same then they don’t sound different. If there’s some questionable programming going on somewhere it’s possible that the same file can play back differently different times.
But if you output two different “bounces” (audio exports, right?) then obviously they won’t be the same. If you hear that they sound different but then somehow look like they null then the obvious error is in measurement, not the export.
Why don’t you just say you cannot hear the difference and don’t gasligh,t Nuendo captures the audio at a higher internal sample rate which is why there is a marked difference in sound quality if a person’s hearing range is limited you will still feel a difference as the audio feels more focused
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