OffTopic- Thank you Finale, now Musescore is garbage too

Personally, I am very happily using Dorico daily. I was a long-time Sibelius user, but never really got along with either Finale or MuseScore, though I do use the latter for interfacing with Python music21 projects and diagnosing XML files.

If Dorico physically does not run - there will be a reason that can be resolved if you supply your Diagnostics.

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Downloading Sibelius free version
Let me give it a try. Isn’t it the father of Dorico?

https://forums.steinberg.net/tag/made-with-dorico

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No. Many of the Dorico team worked on the development of Sibelius, but the design philosophy of the two is very different.

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@Janus Thank you for reassuring me! Download almost complete.


such as? Everything I try works just fine.

Something is not right about this. Perhaps there is a peculiarity of your system
 I literally cannot remember the last time dorico froze on me, and I use it every day professionally.

Odd claim
 this is a very active forum replete with lots of discussion.

Again I ask: such as? You’ve made claims without offering any specifics.

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Dorico has literally transformed my professional engraving and publishing career. It is a delight to use at every level. Crashes are occasional but extremely rare, and automatic backups prevent any lost work. I’m sorry you’re not having a great initial experience.

As to the accusation that this forum is a cult that allows no dissent
 there’s really no point in arguing about it. Just a polite wave. People can think whatever they want. Meanwhile, the professionalism and congenial, mutual assistance on this forum continues unabated.

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There is a useful democracy in having a few different notation programs around. I had to use a few of them when in teaching and the market moved on in step with advances in computer tech. Back in the day as a youngster for me it was Dr T’s Copyist and Score followed by Finale (1991) Sibelius (1997) and then Dorico (c.2016). They all had significant tech developments and uses and it’s daft to disparage one or the other in a somewhat niche market where the parent company can turn around and cut the product, as occured recently, sadly, with Finale. I’m just grateful they are there because I wrote a leadsheet out by hand the other day and realised how dreadful my music handwriting still is - it was nice using a pencil and pen again though.
I also have empathy for the development teams who are often smaller than they should be and accomplish really great things. Think of the amazing achievment that has been made by the team working on the new score edit tool(s) for Cubase/Nuendo 14 (not forgetting the great work over the years made by a single Steinberg developer on the previous versions of the notation part of the product).

And this forum is the best on Steinberg’s website because of the speed that moderators and others deal with queries and for the overall friendly level of debate.

Great things anyway coming later this year, not least Dorico 6 and NotePerformer 5 - I can’t beleive how good things are now when I think of Dr T’s Copyist - and who the hell was Dr T anyway?:grin::grin:

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Useless claim, especially on a user forum. What is useful is to explain what you are trying to do and cannot. If there is a workflow, someone will quickly describe it. If there is not, chances are it will be changed into a feature request. That is what this forum is about.
Of course, if you start trolling, no wonder you get trolled in response :person_shrugging:

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@Romanos
Please can you address my last post about XML import? Please solve it, thank you.

We are referring to drag (not copy) and paste. A great feature of Finale when your hand is already on the mouse - to be sure, the Finale model is to a large degree mouse oriented, which for the visually oriented is more intuitive.

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Well, I have criticized Dorico many times, even some things that Daniel had said he was instrumental in implementing. Last I checked (looks over each shoulder) I am still here. It could be that Steinberg is playing the long game, here, and just waiting for the right moment to take me out


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Deluxe Music Construction Set (1986), Dr T’s Copyist (1987). Fond memories. :grinning_face:

In the early 90s I used a thing called Laser Music Processor. It would only print decent quality to laser printers, and I had no access to one, so I would have to beg others to print it out at their workplaces.

I had.both of those on the Amiga. I sometimes miss those. I hated the way you input slurs in Dr. T’s copyist. It was very hit or miss, and you never knew if the slurs worked until you printed. But I still have some very fond memories of both.

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Indeed. Looking very forward to it :slightly_smiling_face:

Dragging to paste is one of the options described on the page I linked. It requires you to hold a modifier key, but otherwise sounds like what you’re asking for.

Dragging notes in Dorico can produce a few different results, depending on the direction of your drag and any modifier keys you’re holding: you can transpose notes by dragging (by step, semitone/quartertone etc, or octave), copy notes to staves above/below, or to bars left/right.

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Of course, in Finale, you could Alt-click to copy things, too – as you can in Dorico.

Personally, I find that more precise and less finicky than holding a click while moving the pointer to a new location; but as ever, chacun à son goût.

I used to use Nightingale before moving up to Finale. It “left-justified” the bars on each system, by default, leaving gaps at the end, until you issued a “justify” command to make them fill the width. It gave me an appreciation of how music spacing works (as with Dorico’s fullness percentages), but it was quite tedious.

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phase_Shift very much likes.

I totally agree, Dan.
What a bless to have Dorico in our lives, for professional use, and this forum.

All the best to Dorico, the forum, and the developers.

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