Hi,
This is a PG question:
I’ve been running Windows Machines with 5700G AMD CPU (still pretty powerful) and integrated graphics. My WL processing meter is maxing out causing stutter, especially over 48k.
Im considering some new PCs with a independent graphics card to alleviate the open GL issue with plugins I’ve had, as well as possibly freeing up the CPU to process more efficiently.
Is a very new AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX with a AMD Radeon RX 7600M XT going to be that much more able to process audio in WL without hiccups? Should I be looking at Macs as well? (I’m not in that ecosystem since 2006) Thanks in advance
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I am not a hardware specialist, but obviously, a AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX with a AMD Radeon RX 7600M XT would be a good choice.
Other WaveLab users could bring their experience too.
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Thank you for the quick reply!
If I did go Mac, are there any hardware advantages? And will I be able to load a PC montage on a Mac?
Yes, if the audio file path are relative to the montage folder.
PG stated month ago as I asked in this forum concerning an unwanted and unpleasant coil whining on my Vega 56 graphics card under windows 10 using WaveLab 11 with the new software successor of eLicenser, that WaveLab 11 does not use the calculation power of the graphics card. The noise is there also when nothing happens in Wavelab 11 - new licensing version.
The AMD 5700G is a very potent processor. I use the 5800X together with a Vega Radeon 56 card.
My gut feeling about this is: The culprit is the new software protection system. And if it’s the case, it would be very nice Steinberg would look deeper into this. It would be very much appreciated if e.g. I by myself have to switch to WaveLab 12 there would be no coil whining. But I doubt that this issue was addressed after my post month ago due to lack of escalation to the support.
Suggestion: There are two different driver versions. One focusing more on Gamers and one for professional use. And there is a possibility – as I vaguely remember – that installs only the necessary drivers. Maybe one could experiment with this?
The latest drivers:
I do not find the PRO version so far.
No, impossible. The new protection system has zero cost.
The problem mentioned by @gsmaster is primarily caused by the integrated graphics he has mentioned, I believe.
As for the PRO version: Maybe the drivers for the Radeon PRO VII will do if installable. Disclaimer: … I am not liable for any damage that maybe caused by my suggestions.
And … The newest BIOS for the mainboard may fix it?
If not … why not disabling the internal graphic and e.g. install a Vega card. There are some in the second hand market. Unfortunately, new cards are tailored around gaming. Pure cheap multimedia and coder / decoder cards – as far as I know – are not in the market.
As for the new processor … (addressed to PG) Would AVX512 processing be available or is it already in WaveLab? The new Ryzen 9000 CPUs offer AVX512. I think, they are very energy efficient and max out the RAM-Bus by using it.
AB, thank you for your input.
I cannot install a graphics card or eGPU on my current machine, its a SFFPC.
I will look for a new machine, as I think my CPU is being compromised from the integrated graphics
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Hint: If you can wait some weeks … there is the new kid on the block around the corner with Zen 5 and therefore AVX512 instruction set. E.g. the “AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX PRO 370”.
I do not understand why there is a problem with the potent internal graphic from the 5700G. I thought it is connected on the chip itself internally with a 16-bit wide PCIe 3.0 bus. Or is it smaller? There are by far less powerful solutions and I have not read about that issue until now. (I considered buying the 5700G for myself. Only the halfed 3rd level cache size, no PCIe 4.0 let me grab the 5800X.) I wonder how important the 3rd-level cache size is for WaveLab. Does a 5800X3D do wonder with his additional 64MB cache but a little bit added latency for fetching data? I suppose not, because it is not programmed considering such cache size. What I can state is that WaveLab 9 Pro uses not all processors when not using the batch or conversion parts. Only one or two. That may have changed in WaveLab 11 / 12?
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Have you installed AMDs latest Chipset-drivers?
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/CHIPSET-INSTALL.html
For laptops these AMD processor names also come into my mind. Zen 3+ with 8 processors.
AMD Ryzen 7 7840U
AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 6850U
Performances.
Integrated graphics are not suitable for intensive graphical workloads. They typically perform much worse than dedicated GPUs in these tasks.
Also, integrated graphics use the system’s RAM for video processing, which can reduce the total available memory for other applications, potentially affecting overall performance.
But what workload is there? The graphic is not used for calculations or is it? My Vega sleeps but has this not very nice coil whining with WaveLab 11. It is not there in WaveLab 9 Pro. So something has changed but what?
It depends on screen(s), but large screens or HDPI screens require more memory to transfer. And this can happen a lot eg. because of real-time graphics (audio meters).
This being said, graphics in WaveLab are computed by the CPU, not a GPU, and a fast CPU is a plus.
So gsmaster would be well advised to have populated both or better all memory channels. Often there is only one memory module installed which cuts the memory bandwidth in half. And fast and sharp timings could do wonder. And I checked my Task-Manager – Memory … after the latest BIOS-Update the slow default timings are activated … I did not notice it. Good to have checked it now … there should be 3600 in my system …
AB,
I have (2) 8GB 3200 Sicks of Memory in 1 machine, and (2) 16GB 3200 in a second identical machine. There is no appreciable difference in load in WL
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Have you installed the AMD Ryzen Master?
https://www.amd.com/de/products/software/ryzen-master.html
There for the fabric should be stated in your case:
on 1600 1600
listed in your system. Mine has the default settings with only 1200 Mhz and I do not have any problems with WaveLab 9 Pro. I will change it to 1800 ( 3600 / 2 ) later on in UEFI-BIOS.
No, I had AMD Adrenaline on my Windows 10, now it doesn’t work on my 11 upgrade. I dont think I will try this on my main machine, maybe on my backup.
From PG’s comments, I don’t think this will affect any of my usage issues though. I’m still going to look at a faster machine with a seperate graphics card
AMD Adrenaline is the graphics driver. The latest version is linked in the 5-th post. The chipsetdriver should also be up to date.
The timings you can check and change also in the UEFI BIOS. “On” for the linked fabric to memory is the setting to go for.
Maybe here is some help:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=5700G+Timings
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ryzen+Master+5700G
There you may have it …
Check in your device manager if there is the Vega driver installed. It could be a windows 11 default fallback driver. A simple VGA Driver … and that may cause all your problems.
And update to all the latest Windows 11 drivers.
AB,
I went down your rabbit hole, and installed the latest drivers (always a good thing, btw), checked for Vega driver (none) and rechecked my WL. Same, no changes.
I tend to think PG is correct as I stated earlier, but I truly appreciate your suggestions!