The new clip gain stuff is cool, thanks Steinberg…
but please give us the middle node as well. keep the new stuff, just bring back the middle node.
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Why would you need it? The controller just moved from the top centre to the bottom left corner. Otherwise, it’s the same control. What is your use case, please?
I’m glad that Steinberg is not just adding features on top of the existing ones but also cleaning the stuff. It doesn’t make sense to have duplicate controls.
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I’m not the OP, but for whatever reason it’s much more difficult to see when the waveform is busy, clip height is low (e.g. 2-3 “units”), there’s name label, etc. In most of the cases I just blindly click where I know it should be, because I can’t see it:
(example from user manual, probably with height of 4 “units”)
Had I not seen the video from Dom, I’d be pissed off thinking the feature was removed 
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If you are editing the towards the end of a long song whilst zoomed in and you haven’t chopped the audio file you cant clip gain because the new clip gain option is at the beginning of the file unless you go on top to the Info Bar. Which is quite inconvenient.
the new one is so cool but the old one was more practical
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The pop up fader is cool, the gain difference being displayed on the wave is also very helpful.
but the node in the middle of the event is a “signature Cubase” thing. it’s always been that way and it’s been a favorite of most users.
Cubase has many ways to get something done, I don’t see how having 2 controls is a problem. But if we had to choose one control, bring back the middle node. it was a Cubase staple.
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Hi,
You can use the Volume in the Info Line.
The issue was there even in C13 and earlier because it might happen that you don’t see the centre of the Audio Event reach the old controller, either.
So the case is closed - the ‘new’ control is 100% no better than what we had before, in this respect… It’s just tinkering around for tinkerings sake.!
The node at upper middle of the Event for Cubase users is like the red ‘X’ in the top right corner of a Windows dialog box to close that window… why would you move that.?
You’re seemingly now forced to use the Range tool (to select the event and use the gain node at top middle of the selection.).
I’ll have to experiment more, but on the face of it, seems further irritation than before…
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The code base may have been completely rewritten or refreshed to incorporate the selection and the clip/event gain envelope.
The workflow appears to be more intuitive in its current avatar.
Ok. Sounds reasonable. So why not have the ‘new’ control placed at upper middle as before and have it only appear say, when there is no Range Tool ‘selection’ in place/operation.? Like the old ‘hover-over’ behaviour… Or some such…
They obviously thought they couldn’t remove it entirely, but instead seem to have ended up disrupting workflow - workflow that’s been ingrained with long-term users for decades.!
I simply can’t tell how you can say this is more ‘intuitive’ now - its a fundamental/physical shift of previous workflow practice…!
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Its is and it makes those migrating from PT feel at home, We do radio dramas and the current workflow is god sent. Its been asked for decades and SB finally dared to break free.
Cubase 14 is ground breaking in this sense and hopefully they would keep innovating and add ripple edit. Then the change would be complete as clip/event is the ground on which any DAW sits.
For me the shift is for the sake of hyperbole ‘heroic, courageous and truly unprecedented’ shift.
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Please also explore if using the mouse wheel to change event volume might be a working solution for you. It was helpful to another user.
Preferences → Editing → Audio → Use Mouse Wheel for Event Volume and Fades
Ok, ok… I see…! Now I understand your ‘intuitive’ remark…
Well, I have only been working about 4 hours on things in C14 so far… let’s see how I feel in a week or two I guess… 
The old one is much better. Needing to reach out to the very left of the event to change the gain is very counterintuitive, especially when you zoomed in. Please bring it back Steinberg!
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After further testing I found that now we couldn’t do quick clip gain using the middle handler (even the new volume handler) when doing editing in pretty zoomed out situation.
This is crucial for drum editing and group vocal editing. Now the new volume handler is hidden when you zoomed out to a certain level. This is a huge step back in workflow. To be honest, I think most pro Cubase user already setup macro for easy clip gain using the range selection tools in the past. I don’t think it’s necessary to remove the handle that we have been using it for decades when we are using the cursor mode.
There’s always more than one way to do things inside Cubase and that’s the reason that we love Cubase. Please bring it back or at least give us a choice to change it inside preferences!
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This functionality actually hasn’t really disappeared. You can still do it. Using the Range Tool, double click on the event you want to clip gain and you get a middle node, at the top just like the old one (diamond shaped instead of square). Works in the same way.
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I see, I like this tip!
True, but still you have to set the range first which is one more step to do (or two if you need to zoom out first). I find the new gain tool rather inconvenient- maybe I just have to use to it, but my edit workflow has been slowed down because of it. Wish they leave this “old” gain option even together with implementation of the new one.
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Exactly, one more click per edit, when i do hundred edits that will be hundreds of click.
I prefer Steinberg give us the option to turn on/off the old gain control.
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Does the new clip volume fader give feedback in dB difference just like the old clip gain did? or does the waveform just change visual size?