In Cubase 14 and older, you could delete an insert plugin by clicking the arrow plugin selection button and hit the DEL key, which would set the selection to “No Effect”, then ENTER, and the plugin was gone. Nice.
In Cubase 15, this is not possible anymore. The DEL key does nothing. If you hit Enter, the current plugin stays auto-selected and simply loads again with its default preset.
Is this some setting I am missing that has changed?
If not, it looks like a regression bug-
but if it is on purpose, why on earth would one change that after years and years of being possible?
I still am really mad about the overall crippling of the mix console regarding key commands since C13. C12 you could easily navigate the whole mix console with the tab and cursor keys, jumping from field to field and changing them, you wouldn’t even need the mouse at all to delete a plugin, just navigate to the slot with cursor keys and hit DEL. All gone… now you are lost without the mouse, which makes everything slower and more tedious.
Tell me about it… sometimes, changes in UI/UX can be necessary, and there are admittedly examples where the changes are an improvement in usability, but often it feels like just being changes for the sake if it, removing features that users have relied upon for years (like e.g. the aforementioned key movements in the mix console…)
No, just select the plug and hit backspace…two moves.
EDIT….….Just testing some more….this is actually dependent on the plug not taking focus when you select it…..so if the gui is open and you click on a non button area of the slot it selects the slot but hides the plugin gui so can be deleted. If it’s not currently open, it will open the gui and take focus so backspace doesn’t work. I don’t know what the point of the e button to open the plugin editor is if clicking outside it still opens the plugin editor!
On C14, this procedure works with either the DEL or backspace key
On C15, it doesn’t.
I think it makes sense to make most of the button area the click target for “open GUI”, as it is most likely the default action for all users, so it being the biggest target to hit is good. Probably the extra typical “e” is added for consistency (the Steinberg “e” is always for “edit/open”) for new users not yet familiar with the mixer. I am actually fine with that.
The downside is that, at least in “show inserts as plug-in names” display, the bypass and select button are only apparent on mouse-over, which is suboptimal UX (more difficult to hit the intended area when you don’t see precisely what to target with the mouse). You could of course switch to “show inserts as plugin-names and insert controls”, but since C13 the plugin name becomes so tiny that it is hard to read on higher resolutions (another regression bug or flawed execution imho).
Just to make it clear, this is not what this topic is about originally. Clicking on the e or the empty area will open and close the plugin UI, that hasn’t changed at all since forever. You have to hit the dropdown button to open the plugin selector. I think that is totally fine in general (a right-click context menu item like “Select Plug-in” which would open the selector would be a good addition IMO.
(removing the feature from C12 where you could move horizontally and diagonally from insert slot to insert slot and hit “del” to remove a plugins or enter to open the selector dialog is a completely different issue. That was a big blow workflow-wise…)
The issues is that the del and backspace key don’t work anymore (C15 on Windows) as they did on C14 to select the “no effect” entry. Spacebar and ‘n’ key work. Del and backspace are very much preferable though as they are next to the Return key which means less hand movement
this only seems to work if you’ve opened the plugin and closed it. If you insert a plugin insert then hover over it and hiy backspace nothing happens. If you open the GUI then close it and then hover over the insert you can hit backspace and it will delete it.
But surely the ability to select the plug in the blank space without opening the gui would mean even less hand movement as you can delete without opening the plugin chooser menu at all. I suppose it might be more open to accidental deletions though.
Ah, now I get it what they meant, thank you. But that is not a regression from 14 to 15, that came probably with C13.
So in 12 you could:
open a plugin in a slot, GUI opens, hit DEL, the plugin would unload, even if the plugin GUI had the focus.
In C14, C15 (and probably 13) that does not work anymore, you have to explicitly click on the slot button again, then DEL/backspace will remove the effect.
While that may be convenient for some, I could understand that from a UX standpoint it could be somewhat confusing for users when a key command acts on something that is not in the current focus, or maybe even hidden from sight by the plugin GUI. Or maybe conflict with plugins that actually intercept keys events. And if you clicked anywhere in the plugin GUI after opening, the DEL key wouldn’t work anymore, leading to more inconsistent behavior. This is a decision that I could stand behind.
Yes, I think that could be a good solution for a fast workflow. Maybe not even a modifier key, simply hover and press delete/backspace, or click, hold and delete. I don’t think that is something that could easily happen accidentally and be confusing.
