As of yesterday the RND Portico Plugins are still officially supported products:
List of supported products – Steinberg Support
If they will be discontinued I want at least an official notice about it.
Yes, it was officially announced here:
ah crap
To quote Rupert Neve Designs’ Engineering Manager (2019):
“We know the future is in the digital emulation. We know this is where our products, our technology needs to go in the market and having a partnership with Yamaha and Steinberg is a really wonderful thing to work with and bring our products into the modern world” (https://youtu.be/EABK9sEx6O8?si=yxxnLJfxFX7V9zUF&t=171)
Wow… this right here shows you the reality of “owning” plugins/software… you own it until they rug-pull you.
Great product, people have paid for it, so why not just let it die and keep the money
If you aren’t willing to keep it alive for those who have bought it, and for those who would if you kept it fresh an up-to-date, then leave the source code out for the community to do it.
Hate companies who do this… Yet I have encouraged Steinberg immensely. Sad times.
I’m afraid that only very few people actually bought RND Portico, that was the main problem. Maybe the price was set too high, maybe the marketing was not appropriate. Nevertheless, other companies managed to be quite successful in this area, so it is not an issue of the concept of digital emulation as such.
I understand the frustration. While I wasn’t an early adopter, I paid some good cash for the RND Portico 5043 Compressor, which certainly lives up to its reputation. The fact that it’s stuck on the eLicenser stings.
But as Timo mentioned above, it was up to a 3rd party to decide whether the RND plug-ins could be ported to the new Steinberg Licensing system or not. If they got a “no”, I don’t think there’s much they can do.
Even before Mr. Rupert’s death, it looks like RND had a very strict contract with Steinberg/Yamaha. If I’m not mistaken, it was the only product ever sold by Steinberg to not work with Steinberg Zero Downtime.
In any case, the USB-eLicenser dongle can last a while in a studio or home environment. Some users here have reported that they have been using the same dongle for around 20 years. While the discontinuation of these plug-ins is truly unfortunate news, they should continue to function for a long time, at least if you use Windows.
What a shame, I have spend a lot for those plugins, I was sure that Steinberg+RND was a guaranty that it was a good investment for a long time… I was wrong!
@Ed_Doll What about vintage channel strip, vintage Stomp Pack and open deck I own too?
There’s no 3rd party to decide whether if plug-ins could be ported to the new Steinberg Licensing
Timo just posted an announcement on both plug-ins sets. Unfortunately, we don’t have good news for the Yamaha Vintage plug-ins either.
So, give them to Cubase and Nuendo users who own an Elicenser, so that they can at least play a little with them… right?
I’m rather disappointed that the Yamaha Vintage plug-ins haven’t been migrated to the new licensing system. Considering the combined price tag of the three collections cost almost as much as a Cubase Pro license, you would expect Steinberg to go the extra mile to migrate their own premium products.
Yamaha Vintage plugins are included into FX suite which is bundled with their AXR hardware. They already have updated GUIs but still work on e-licenser. I guess, when Steinberg migrates these to the new licensing system, we are safe to tell that Yamaha Vintage plugins DO work with the new licensing. They are just not for everyone now. Only for those who have Steinberg hardware. Very disappointing move from Steinberg.
Here is how updated GUI looks like…
In case of RND Portico I can believe that there were some licensing issues which lawyers couldn’t resolve. But with Yamaha’s own algos for the Vintage FX? Don’t make me laugh, please.
Are the new version of the plugins available for download now?
Make them all free if they’re no longer supported. And remove any unlicensed logos.
I don’t think that would make those of us who paid hundreds for them very happy .
So you’d rather nobody could use the plugins because you once paid for them?
I would rather you not be able to use the plugins because you never paid for them. I don’t know how that can’t make sense. I feel a bit screwed after forking out a substantial amount of cash for these items, as have a limited number of others.
If you and others were able to use them for no cost, would that sit well for the users who have actually purchased them?
I understand you being cheesed off about the situation but because you’re scewed either way by Steinberg you’d rather spite other users who have spent money on various Steinberg products as well?
Fair enough.
I damn nearly bought portico a couple of years ago. Thankfully I didn’t, but if I had, I would far far prefer still having a working product that ended up being free than having nothing. It’s not the customers’ fault.
I don’t see the point in cutting off your nose to spite your own face
Enjoy not using the products you paid for.
Reading your posts made me start working on an open source 5033 EQ just out of spite
Hey @Ed_Doll & @TimoWildenhain I managed to slap a 5033 prototype together in a couple of days: greyboxaudio/Purrtico at test_5033 (github.com)
Right now it’s completely linear and while I still need to tune the shelving filters all the functionality of the 5033 plugin is already there. The 3 parametric bands are already closely matched and as a benefit the upper two bands are using the implementation from Vicanek (2016), which means the plugin is actually more “analog” at samplerates below 192kHz. I’d be happy to collaborate on a “non RND branded” successor
Now that’s what I call pro-active!
You are The Dude, dude.