Session View or Clip Launcher in Cubase like Bitwig/Ableton

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Just seen another way of Steinberg achieving this-ish…

Have the facility to launch multiple browsers within Cubase (MediaBay/Loop Browsers.?) instead, and audition/play a loop from inside each simultaneously, with them all syncing perfectly. Something like this:- Tracktion Waveform Quick Tips 2 Multiple Browsers - YouTube

Looks like some fun…!

Am also reading (haven’t tried myself), currently possible with latest WaveForm 12 Free:- Waveform Free | digital audio workstation band editing software - Tracktion

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Jepp agree. Cubase absolutely need the “clip/scene launch feature” u find in Bitwig and Ableton. Thats why Bitwig/Ableton is the NEW Studio standard DAW for the new generation of producers.
if Steinbers was smart, their should done this back in 2015, …

Now ca 90% of New DAW users, are using Ableton, mostly because of the clip/scene feature! And now Bitwig is entering the marked as the new “Ableton”…
If Streinberg dosent do annything anout this, steinberg will lose marked share, to be more irrelevant for consumers, aint good for business…

Forget the feelings from old-school Linjer cubase users, clip/scene launch feature is absolutely a big feature for future users base, and clip/scene feature is NOT only for EDM music, u can use this for everything!
Pesonaly im using Bitwig now for 6 month now, and i work both in Scene mode and linjer mode, super fast and easy… After 22 years in Cubase, i actually enjoy using Bitwig…

“why implementing new feature you ask”
Ist about making MONEY! its a business. Stay up to date, or become irrelevant…
yes for now Cubase got the Varioaudio and nice Wav editing, but trust med, Ableton and Bitwig are working on the same feature…

if Stenberg eventually just wants to be a niche product for the “film composers” and the “guitar heros”, to be the “girl next door” to Protools, be my guest, i dont care.
After 22 years in Cubase, i worked in Bitwig for the last 6 months now, and do the same stuff in the same speed in Bitwig,
Of course, stil doing vocals in Cubase :woozy_face: :man_facepalming: The varioaudio is soo nice!
(Steinberg, if u read this, can u pleas make a plugin of the Varioaudio and audio editing) so i can use it in another DAW. :smiley: :smiley: :+1:

But now its just the matter of time, that Ableton, and especially Bitwig gets the same advance Wav/audio editing like Cubase…

Personally, if Cubase dont implement clip/scene feature in Ver 13 i think im done whit Cubase, all my new songs from 2022 are in Bitwig…
“So why go back to Cubase?” Thats MY question now!!

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Session View is not only for EDM… Thats low iq tinking!

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use Cubase Grovagent in Bitwig. Works perfect!! For beat slicing, tempo ect.

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Bitwig and Ableton are 100% geared toward electronic music production. You can certainly do ‘anything’ in it, but thats what they are geared towards. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s a fact.

Also, unrelated, but I can’t stand the orange color scheme and UI of Bitwig.

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I moved to Bitwig after being with Cubase since the 2001, Bitwig is just much more creative purely becasue of the clip the launcher, and the way you can experiment with it’s workflow. The gapless audio is a breath of fresh air too, i now see why ableton is so popular but i prefer bitwig. I’d love to see some of the cubase features in there but overall, i’m within a month already at the point where i’m taking stems out of Cubase 9 into bitwig, and getting much quicker and better productions. Won’t be upgrading from cubase 9 unless they add a clip launcher and bring back the bloody right click pop up bar we had since cubase was on the Atari ST in the 90s :exploding_head:

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What about incorporating this into VST Live? And then work on integrating VST Live into Cubase/vice versa.

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You mean this one?
grafik

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Yeah, but you can’t resize it anymore :exploding_head:

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But it also doesn’t go off screen anymore.
Toolbar

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That’s good, i didn’t know that, but then i just found out vst2 support is going in upcoming versions :exploding_head: just can’t win, rocking with bitwig moving forward

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+1

Clip launcher not necessary has to be used as loops arranger, it also can be another kind of pool for clips storing, which are always at hand. We need some kind of scratch pad, one more canvas to be in our arsenal.

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I dont think it would take much development to create, because Cubase ALREADY HAS a arranger track to build upon. They could just build a simple U.I. for the aranger track that breaks the scenes into indidual blocks. And then impliment a way to trigger and arrange the scenes quickly. It doesnt need to be as complex as a full session view like Abletons is. Just a simple U.I. that breaks each scene into defined/seperate blocks that can be rearanged and triggered on the fly. And maybe the ability to mute/solo individual tracks with each scene from the U.I. too. It can open in a seperate window, or be placed in the lower zone like the editor window.
If they can add that it would be GAME CHANGER! So many Ablton users would finally make the switch to Cubase! And a LOT of Cubase users like me could stop considering switching to Ableton!
…And this might maybe a litttle harder to impliment, but the ability to just drag and drop individual sections of individual tracks from one scene and into another would be a extremely usefull feature. And make it much EASIER AND FASTER to move sections of each track from one place to another in the timeline.
Now that i think about it, i dont actually see why this would be so very difficult to implement either…and would be essential to the workflow.

Idk? From a coders standpoint, what do you think? Would it be so difficult to build that U.I.? And implement that kind of simple triggering and aranging functionality upon the ALREADY EXISTING arranger track framework? It would make a extremely powerful and INSPIRATIONAL tool for quickly trying out different arrangements. Then (once you are happy with a basic arrangement), you can flip back into linear mode and fine tune your scene transitions from regular timeline.
PLEASE CUBASE!! Give us this simple functionality on the next update! :pray::pray::grinning::grinning::slightly_smiling_face::sunglasses:

It would give Maschine users like me a way out of being stuck with a complicated and messy workflow to try out many ideas quickly. Because transferring & translating the clips and invidual tracks from machine vst into cubases linear timeline is all but impossible, and very impractical. I always end up having many elements inside instances of Maschine vst…all mixed together and playing on the same Cubase track. Many times multiple on more than one, too. It often gives me serious (and complicated to correct) problems in my mixdown. And overly complicated ways of integrating it all into my linear arrangement. Having elements come in and out within the timeline gets really complicated. There are several ways to do it, and none of them are ideal or fast to implement.

This is just my preference and oppinion. I Bought cubase because as you stated, i realized it was time to (and it was necessary) to begin producing on a proper timeline. You are 100% correct about that. I came to the same realization eventually myself. BUT…I also quickly realized the ease of quickly buildable and arangable “scenes” is a very INSPIRATIONAL way of building song progressions. And i haven’t been able to, nor do i WANT TO…give that workflow up completely.
Wich is why I’ve been considering switching to Ableton…but i really love Cubase, and do not want to leave it. But I do NEED SOME KIND of a more advanced SCENE BASED WORKFLOW.
And using Maschine as a vst inside of a DAW is very inefficient. And i think proper integration would be nearly impossible to implement.

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So now, even Avid Pro Tools are adding such functionality soon (this month)…
Pro Tools Sketch Announced - New Music Creation Feature In Pro Tools | Production Expert (production-expert.com)

Fingers crossed for C13 - hoping Steiny devs have been cooking up something similar for us…! :grinning: :crazy_face: :heart:

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To me it looks like a seperate product that runs on iOS. Is that what you want for Cubase as well?

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It’s hard translating a workflow from another program to the other when that’s not what its strength is.

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No, no… the article says it is coming to all platforms…

Pro Tools Sketch introduces a non-linear, clip-based workflow which can be accessed from a new window which will be available in all versions of Pro Tools, including the free Pro Tools Intro, and also via a free iPad App, and there are plans to introduce an iPhone and Android version at a later date.

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Yeah, but how’s their midi functionality right now?

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No idea, I don’t use ProTools… maybe an idea to start a new topic.?

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Ok, so it is at its core an independent software that can run in sync with Pro Tools, maybe even hsare audio outputs. No further integration.
If Steinberg would introduce the feature in this way people here on the forum would try to rip them a new one, if you know what I mean.
However, you are right in that we see more and more MPS/DAWs implementing the session view from Live.