Set minimum gap per staff

[jonburr]

I have a score with a tall guitar part, with chords, on a single staff.
I’ve also got bass and drums.
If I set minimum gaps large enough to accommodate the tall guitar part, there’s a lot of empty space between bass and drums.
Is it possible to set minimum gaps per particluar staff anywhere in Dorico?
I see the variants, staff to staff group, staff to staff etc, but so far it appears as if you’re stuck with whatever setting for all cases.
What would you do? I tried “Automatically avoid collisions,” but the result looks chaotic with different spacing everywhere.
I’d like consistent spacing with values I can control, in the best case scenario…

[DanielMuzMurray]

@jonburr

Is it possible to set minimum gaps per particluar staff anywhere in Dorico?

No.

Could you upload some screenshots - or even better, a project - with some examples?

[jonburr]

@DanielMuzMurray

Could you upload some screenshots

Sorry, no, client work, copyright issues.

[MarcLarcher]

There’s been a thread revived like yesterday or the day before where that issue was solved using a 0-line staff to fake that bigger gap

[Lillie_Harris]

A combination of adjusting the minimum gaps and also ideal gaps, which add extra space between staves with sticking-out material, could help.

[jonburr]

@MarcLarcher

There’s been a thread revived like yesterday or the day before where that issue was solved using a 0-line staff to fake that bigger gap

Would you have a link for that…?

[jonburr]

@Lillie_Harris

A combination of adjusting the minimum gaps and also ideal gap

In order to leverage Minimum Gaps, “Automatically avoid…etc” has to be activated, correct? The problem with this solution is that the gaps then become variable depending on the staff content in any particular system.
One possible solution might be to provide a means in Engrave to select a particular staff throughout the score… or possibly create a category exception, or another category for guitar and other fretted single-staff instruments in the rules.
feature-request

[DanielMuzMurray]

Zero line staff

ZeroLines.zip (2.2 KB) If you download and unzip this file, it will produce a folder called ZeroLines. In the Finder, use Go > Go To Folder to go to this location: /Library/Application Support/Steinberg/ Inside there, create a folder called Dorico 5, then inside that folder create another called DefaultLibraryAdditions (note, no spaces in this folder name). Finally, drag the ZeroLines folder into the DefaultLibraryAdditions folder. Now restart Dorico: you should find a zero-line instrument i…

[Christian_R]

@jonburr

@MarcLarcher

There’s been a thread revived like yesterday or the day before where that issue was solved using a 0-line staff to fake that bigger gap

Would you have a link for that…?

@jonburr
I think the thread that @MarcLarcher means is this:

Feature request: Additional vertical space

Typically in an orchestral score, there is additional vertical space above the string section. Sometimes this is to allow for rehearsal letters, tempo alterations, etc., but often it just exists to make it easier for the conductor to look down and instantly recognize Vln I. Layout Options/Vertical Spacing allows for a lot of settings, but unless I’m mistaken there’s no way to always create additional vertical space above/below certain staves in the score. Finale’s solution is the “Add vertical …

[jonburr]

@Zero line staff

download and unzip this file,

Thanks so much ! I’ll report back…

[jonburr]

@Zero line staff

you should find a zero-line

Found it OK, still trying to config it. Hiding the rests is in Layout Options>Players (which unf hides em everywhere) - but I’m still seeing other artifacts, like key sig, time sig, and barlines… Is it possible to hide all that stuff?

[DanielMuzMurray]

@jonburr

key sig, time sig, and barlines… Is it possible to hide all that stuff?

It might be easiest to put a local open meter at the beginning of that staff. This should remove all the barlines.

Position the caret at that staff > open the Time Signature popover (Shift+M) > type Open > press Alt/Opt+Enter to close the popover but make it a local time signature.

You should be able to do the same for key signatures (make it atonal etc) but make sure to close the popover with Alt/Opt+Enter.

[jonburr]

@DanielMuzMurray

Position the caret at that staff > open the Time Signature popover (Shift+M) > type Open > press Alt/Opt+Enter to close the popover but make it a local time signature.

If I select the time signature in the Zero staff, 1st bar, and do opt-enter, it makes all the other staves open meter except the Zero staff.
If I select the first “rest,” it makes the first 4 bars open meter with a single bar rest, and leaves the remainder alone.
So far, no dice - and it’s making a big dent in the workday.
Gonna have to settle for “Automatically Adjust…” and just tolerate the uneven spacing.

[DanielMuzMurray]

Can you upload your project or PM me it?

[jonburr]

@DanielMuzMurray

PM me it

Done ! Thank you..