Set minimum zoom level when using "Adapt to Zoom"

Hey there,
I mostly use the “Adapt to Zoom” grid type, but that one does not work very well, when zooming in very close. In that case, “Adapt to Zoom” shows the grid up to 1/128, so that I always have to switch to “Use Quantize”, which is mostly set to 1/16 or 1/32.

The idea of using “Adapt to Zoom” is to not have to switch to other grid types anymore, so It would be nice, if we could set a minimum zoom level (or just take the zoom level we set in “quantize presets”).

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Bringing this up again. Full agree with OP. “Adapt to Zoom” is great, but there should be an option to bring it together with “Quantize”.

Example: if my song is in swung feel, I want to have the swung grid when zooming in, and not going up to a straight 1/128…

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Similarly, “Adapt to zoom” seems to be not fully attuned to odd time signatures - see below image for a song in 7/8… The grid given by adapt to zoom seems to be working in 8/8.

7_8 adapt to zoom

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Thanks for bumping. I am still wondered, how this isn’t mentioned by other users. This literally drives me nuts everytime.

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Fully agree. I now discovered the voting on the top left for a topic; voted… maybe this helps in bringing it to Steinberg’s attention…

As this is not getting a lot of attention, I wonder - how are others dealing with projects where you might have, e.g., triplet feel, and then you zoom a lot? Always switch grids?

Yeah don’t really know how others are doing. This drives me insane.

Unfortunately was not addressed in Cubase 14 :frowning:

I’m not yet giving up on this feature request… it’s driving nuts on a regular basis… Why would I want to move events with a 16th grid when I’m zoomed out… and when zooming in, why would I want to see a 1/128th grid when my song is adhering to, e.g., a 8th triplet grid, or even a 16th grid…

Adapt to zoom → make it match to the quantize grid when zooming in…

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@Martin.Jirsak is this something you can help with in placing in feature requests? Should be somewhat straight forward: instead of going into 1/32, 1/64, 1/128 in “Adapt to Zoom”, lock it at the chosen Quantize grid. Which can be 1/16, triplets, or swing grid… Really helpful when you quickly want to switch between song overview (where you push things around in bars, or multiple of bars) vs quickly checking timing of certain parts (and there a 1/128th grid is very confusing/not helpful…)

Thanks!

What happens if I don’t use any of the standard grid presets but my own, custom one?

Hi @Johnny_Moneto yes, very much so.
Here’s an example: I use an 8th swing as grid. Adapt to zoom just insists on showing a 32th grid when zooming in. Meaning: I need to switch to grid type “Use quantize” to see the grid I actually want. Which defies the purpose of having something called “Adapt to Zoom”, as @Tj99 and me think at least.

Adapt to Zoom: shows 32th grid (and if you zoom further, it gets 64th, etc.)

Switching then to “Use quantize” gives me the grid I want to see

… but if I then zoom out to do some arranging of parts, it is way too fine grained… I cannot even hit the bar on the 1…

Thanks you for the graphical display of your feature request.
Do you have any reply to my question? At which level should Cubase stop when I use a custom grid?
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Hi @Johnny_Moneto sorry for not being clear. The 8th grid with 60% swing is a custom quantize grid - so my intuition is for Cubase to stop Zooming at the “Quantize” level, i.e., at this grid. Am I missing something?

(so instead of me switching Grid Type from Adapt to Zoom to Quantize manually when zooming in, and vice versa when zooming out, Cubase does it automatically)

I think you might. I can record a drummer and use that performance as a groove quantize preset. This can result in the grid being all over the place. At times there can be 8ths, but elsewhere there can be 16ths. Within the same preset.
Have you ever worked with such a groove quantize preset?

Ah. Haven’t used one of these TBH as grid (and didn’t realize you could).

You’re saying an implementation of my feature suggestion might be tricky in such a case?

I would still see options for this,

  • Set minimum zoom level as separate input (as original poster suggested)
  • Detect the grid of the custom one (approximation), and potentially switch to this one as soon as you zoom in close enough
  • … or … do vice versa… when Zooming out, while in “Use Quantize” grid mode, start rounding to what you see on display (i.e., if I am so zoomed out that I only see bars, I sure do not want to move around in 16th…)

All of the above are potentially new Grid types to not confuse existing fucntionality… but I wonder that next to OP and myself nobody is bothered by this :slight_smile:

Thank you!

I studied the existing “adapt to zoom” behaviour for quite a bit and the custom grids (aka groove quantize presets) were the point at where I did not know how to expect Cubase to deal with it.
It seems “adapt to zoom” is somewhat detached from versatile settings that Cubase allows us to do to the grid. It only reacts to “triplet”, “dotted”, and “neither of these two”.

The harsh reality. I had so many ideas and requests, not only for Cubase but also in the rest of my life, and am often astounded to find out that nobody else seems to care. C’est la vie, I guess.
Good luck with your request.

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Very much seems so.
In the end I built an autohotkey script, which recognizes by its own, when the grid is zoomed in enough, to switch from adapt to zoom to quantize and which switches from quantize back to adapt to zoom, when zooming out again.

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Oh. Can this script be shared? Does it only react to zooming (e.g., by “g” and “h” keys), or also if you directly zoom into a range?

Seems like it. Plus has no minimum zoom level. But as you say. The harsh reality: getting an Underwater plugin instead of workflow enhancements. :smiley: